Tuesday, June 12, 2018

Rock Island and NYC Freight Houses at La Salle Station

Rock Island's 12 Street Piggyback Yard has its own set of notes. Those notes have more photos that catch the south end of the Rock Island Freight House. In addition to NYC's freight house, these notes discuss NYC's team tracks that later became their Flexi-Van service yard.

Bill Molony posted
Nickel Plate Road class L-1a 4-6-4 Hudson-type #172, departing from La Salle Street Station with train #8, the daily run from Chicago to New York City via the Lackawanna Railroad from Buffalo, on the morning of October 14, 1955.
Tom VanZuiden Whose stainless baggage car? Can’t read the name.
Bob Lalich Rock Island. The car is spotted next to one of the Rock's freight houses.

Bill Molony posted again
Nickel Plate Road class L-1b 4-6-4 Hudson-type #172, departing from LaSalle Street Station with NKP train #8, the daily run from Chicago to New York, via the Lackawanna Railroad from Buffalo, on the morning of October 14, 1955.
This train was equipped with reclining seat coaches, a diner-lounge car, and 10 roomette-6 double bedroom sleeping cars.

Bill Molony posted again
Mark Fuller What’s the white-ish car towards the back?
Bill Molony A Lackawanna Railroad sleeping car.
Brandon McShane Or is it one of Nickel Plate's ex-C&O coaches?

Tom Bedwell enhanced a photo posted by Bill Molony
La Salle Street Station on the afternoon of June 21, 1958.
On the left is Rock Island EMD E8A #644, departing for Denver and Colorado Springs with RI train #7, the Rocky Mountain Rocket.
On the right is New York Central EMD E8A #4088, ready to depart for Boston with NYC train #28, the New England States.
Bob Lalich Looks like someone pushed a car a little too far on the freight house track to the left.

Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's posting
I'm trying to identify which railroad owns that freight house. But I discovered that page 331 of the 1915 Smoke Abatement Report has unreadable labels on the buildings. And I've never had any luck with the Sanborn Maps for Chicago.
Bob Lalich The freight houses on the west side of the La Salle St approach tracks were Rock Island. There were several. NYC's freight houses were east of the station leads.

 Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's posting
So in Tom Bedwell's enhanced photo we are getting a glimpse of the east side of some RI freight houses.
[1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP from Harrison down to Roosevelt.]

1909 Map
[Click the link so that you can zoom in to a readable image.]

1941 Sketch Map

Bill Molony posted
The New York Central's 20th Century Limited departing from La Salle Street Station for a fast overnight run to New York City on the afternoon of June 6, 1963.
Dennis DeBrulerYou and 1 other manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Chicago Railroad Historians. Another big gantry crane over some team tracks. I remember the first one I saw was over IC tracks. I think someone mentioned there was one in Proviso. I need to start making a list. Are those Rock Island or NYC team tracks?
Bob Lalich Those are NYC team tracks east of the throat, and their freight stations beyond.
Chuck Kulesa The overhead crane was for containers and trailers on flat cars COFC and TOFC respectively 
Bob Lalich The crane was there in the 1930s, long before COFC and TOFC....
Chuck Kulesa yes it was ... for heavy loading on flat cars but with advent of containers and trailers was used for such.

David Daruszka enhanced a photo posted by Bill Molony
Rock Island EMD BL2 #426, easing back into La Salle Street Station on October 17, 1963.
Mark Nieting Such an ugly duckling, the BL-2.
Bill MolonyBill and 1 other are consistently creating meaningful discussions with their posts. The Rock Island never met a locomotive salesman that they didn't like!
[Another view of the gantry crane over the NYC team tracks.]

Mike Breski posted


New York Central J-3a Hudson 5414, modified with twin sealed-beam headlight and high-capacity centipede tender, departs La Salle Street Station, Chicago, with a local for Toledo on June 1, 1953.
R. R. Malinoski photo
Dennis DeBruler On the right side of the photo we see one end of the gantry crane and the rail it rides on.

Bill Molony posted
New York Central class S-1b 4-8-4 Niagara-type #6010, departing from LaSalle Street Station with a four-car passenger train on the afternoon of June 12, 1954.
Dennis DeBrulerYou and 1 other manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Chicago Railroad Historians. The NYC team tracks with their gantry crane on the right has plenty of cars in this photo The buildings on the left were Rock Island freight houses. Below we will see weeds growing in those tracks.
Bob Lalich commented on Bill's posting
The crane was removed sometime in the 1960s. NYC's Flexi-Van service did not require a crane.
Dennis DeBruler commented on Bob's comment
It looks like a tower with a bunch of microwave horns in the background.
Bob Lalich That is Illinois Bell at the corner of Congress and Clark.

Pete Klapper shared
Rock Island RS3 #494 appears to be working the afternoon rush as it departs Chicago's LaSalle Street Station on February 18, 1968. Roger Puta photo.
Bill Edrington Great shot. Look at those NYC Flexi-Vans. Penn Central was just over two weeks old when this was taken.
Bob Lalich The Milwaukee Road transfer is an interesting detail. There were a few possible routes for such a move, all of which involved using busy interlockings such as 16th St.
Note that the two story building that would have been on the left side of this photo has been torn down.
Bill Molony posted
Rock Island EMD FP7 #404, departing from La Salle Street Station with a suburban train - 1967.
Dennis DeBruler The grass is a good indicator that the LCL (freight house) business has died. And the team tracks have been converted to Flexi-Van service. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1270038776414622/permalink/1995945483823944/
Milt Leppert Great before and after, Dennis
Dennis DeBruler Milt Leppert I was amazed that only 13 years separated the two photos. It emphasizes the impact diesel locomotives, obsolete ICC regulations, and taxpayer assisted Interstates and airports had on railroading. And photos after 1967 are even more depressing because that is the year that the US Mail cancelled its contracts with the railroads.
Milt Leppert Look at the NYC Flexi-Van site. This would later be moved over to Lumber Street adjacent to the PRR Coach Yard after the PC merger.
Bill Molony posted
New York Central passenger trains, both arriving and departing on September 2, 1967.
[Note the row of trailer wheels between the parked trailers and the train.]

Steven J. Brown posted
Rock Island SW1 4804 (built 1946 as IC 9025, became Metra 2) with RTA F40PH 107 at Roosevelt Road in Chicago - Circa 1978.
[I assume the building is a remnants of a Rock Island freight house. Freight houses are torn down to grow the piggyback yard in an attempt to compete with Interstate highways.]
William Brown shared
I believe this is the the Rock Island's Frieght House in Chicago.
Bob Lalich Several Rock Island freight houses can be seen here, with team tracks in the middle. This view is from Roosevelt Road west of Clark St.

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