Saturday, December 31, 2016

Manitowoc's 4600 Stinger, 7000, 18000 and 21000

By hinging the boom on a crawler ahead of the body, they can use the body as a counterweight.

Two photos posted by Bruce Hawkins with the comment "The Stinger walking to work in Dec.1999 at the BP Clean Fuel Project, Brisbane Aust. Jack Thornton photo's"

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Steven Camp commented on the above posting: " I believe this is the drawing for it."
[On Facebook someone posted a link to this copy.]
Update: What was called a "stinger" was also called an "X tender."
Ben Stalvey posted
4100 X tenders anyone know how many were built? I always see two 4100 x tenders working in pairs in photos.
James Blackwell 13Corey Gerber Not a tandem but a quad lift. The flag man must have been nervous as a long tail cat in a rocking chair factory.
Rich Trosper I was one of the rigging/iron super on this job-exxon Shute Creek. I worked with Russ Ellis, Rigging boss for Stearns Catylitc, PCC did the job. At that time there were just the two, actually were designed for this job, the travel rds were designed to walk them through out the job we walked them back and forth through the job from the railhead to all the vessel and much of the pipe rack modules that were delivered from Pocatello Idaho that were fabricated at the old Bucyrus Erie plant there. Russ told me that the concept for these were sketched up on a napkin at dinner with some Manitowoc people. A big pissing match occurred because of the Lampson transilift being copied. Don't think it went to lawsuit but it was close. As far as I know there were two and this job was the only one they were used on. I still have the charts and some drawings lift plans for these. The vessel in this picture was 692 ton and on the way to the jobsite they derailed in green river Wyoming, and jacking frames and crew were brought in, thinking it was heavy haul out fit out of Texas, but we used Premay out of Canada some and then the other half of this job was at LA barge Wyoming where I moved up to as rigging and Iron super there chasing 50 wild riggers running around on 77,000 square acres with a lot of 100-150 ton lifts. We had suburbans with radios for all the rigging crews. Half of them were in Pinedale WY shooting pool while the other half were covering the job. Didn't happen all the time but some of this gray hair is from those rascals! Was a hell of a job at the time.Brent Genseke As a rigging and lift planner this is impressive. No load indicators, (guessing) all math based, and the technology then is considered not applicable by today's heavy lift standards. You have to appreciate the planning, experience from the guys in the field, and the operators who ran the machines. One mistake and it all would have gone wrong (again guessing). I would love to have been around to see this.


Scott Budden commented on Kevin Priestly's posting

They had a 4100 version of this "stinger" design was well. Ken Wright posted five pictures with the comment: "Lampson Crane that Unloaded me July 2014 New Town, ND."

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Terry Love posted
4600 quick change. She was a beast!! I ran this one at BASF in Freeport, Texas back in 94-95 . 28 part block and no power down! Less than 15-20 tons was free fall with air brakes! Set all towers, reactors and other major lifts with this machine. Lots of crane mats involved working this machine! One of B&R's Manitowoc 4600 with counter weight modifications, 4600 mast and Lampson boom and crawler out front.
Ben Stalvey commented on this posting
Ben StalveyGroup Admin The large two in this shot are 4100 Xtenders.  Capacity of 420 ton with Xtender.  A Manitowoc model 4100 had a 230 ton capacity. So big upgrade
Chase Larson commented on Ben's posting
Chase Larson I was on this one in Stanley ND a few years back. Glen Norby, ran our assist rig for assembly..

The Manitowoc 7000 was another crawler-crane design that put more space between the boom and the counter weights. It is basically a ringer-crane on tracks.

Steven Morrison posted
Ben Stalvey The lower could be used as a transporter as well.Aaron Adams How many tons is the 7000 good for at max?
Ben Stalvey 800 tons
Victor Hurst I was told that they only built like 5 of those crane?
Tom Burkart 4 or 5 were built for sure I did some of the load testing at the factory. Worked well but not easy to move around on dry ground.
Ben Stalvey commented on the above posting

Kerst De Jong commented on the above posting
Same crane with upper.
Larry Arthur Hoerres posted
Here is the big Manitowoc and now just 31000

Manitowoc 18000 and 21000 is another solution for achieving the stable base of a ringer crane with the mobility of a crawler crane. This video provides an overview.



And this is a closeup of the "counterweight wagon" called a "Maxer."

Wade Zeckser posted
What is it?
Greg Scher That's the counterweight wagon from a 18000/21000 -- the same wagon is used on both rigs.Greg Scher That wagon is set at the 50-foot radius swing. I have the same wagon on my 21000 right now. I have 245-feet of luffer in mine at the moment.
Howard Hultquist posted
Yeeee haaaa
Jason Irwin Looks like he's already boomed all the way up too.
[This is why they invented diferrent ways to increase the distance (leverage) between the boom hinge and the counter weight tray. It was evidently lifting the nacelle of a windmill with too much wind.]
Don Luebesmier posted
Start adding the boom tomorrow !
[Reading the comments, this is a MLC 650 with Max-VPC. VPC is variable position control, which means a computer will automatically move the stack of counterweights along the rail as the boom moves to keep the unit balanced. Since they don't have much boom weight installed, note how the counterweight tray is moved all the way towards the center. As they add boom weight, I expect they will roll the counterweights away from the center. I just noticed that they are still adding counterweights to the stack. Each counterweight is "22k." It took 32-36 truckloads to bring the parts. Just a 301' main to pick 210 tons at 120'.]

Brandon Storie shared
Louie Dee 18 in beast modeBrandon Storie Ground zero few years ago, rebuilding world trade centerLouie Dee We hauled that out of there 68 loads later
This image shocked me because it can hold its boom+luffer is long and it can hold it horizontally.
Al Easton posted
Ben Stalvey 888 Ringer pretty rare
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A .pdf file about a Chicago project that used a 888 Ringer on a barge The barge itself was interesting (It is interesting that a barge company has a location in Fort Wayne, IN (my hometown). There is no barge access to that town. Then I noticed that their big deal is that they can build a barge from modules that can be trucked.)]
Normally, the luffer has a wheel on its end to hold its weight as the main boom is raised. Once the boom is vertical, then the weight is centered enough that it can raise its luffer.
Rick Wilson posted
MLC 300 in Maui
Just a few hours after I came across the .pdf in the caption above for Al Easton's posting, I came across this posting. Aaron Parker posted two photos with the comment: "Triple 888 in a ring on a barge on the Chicago river a few years back."

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Brandon Storie's Photo Album
Here is an example of the dolly needed to help raise the luffer on a 31000 even though the maximum counterweights of 1,848,000# has been installed.
Brandon Storie's Photo Album
Now the radius is small enough they can remove the dolly.

Ben Stalvey and others commented on Ben's posting: "Good size comparison to a 4100W crawler and a 4100 Ringer."

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4  Joe Hyde Thie pic is from '03,,, I believe... Same crane and same barge are set up in a more permanent fashion these days. Company had just aquired this crane and had a brand new barge built for it... It is an impressive crane/barge...

5  Joe Hyde Current day setup,,, with a third set of rocks out back....
Ben Stalvey posted
Manitowoc 21000 lifting a 478 ton vessel at a chemical plant in Illinois
[Ben called this a "hanging tray" setup and said they were rare. Other comments indicate they were rare because "counterweight wagon" was a better solution.]
Ben Stalvey posted
Mike Larson thanks for this awesome picture. Equipped with 180 foot of main boom and 220ft of luffing jib. This 21000 with maxer placed this 314,000lb load with rigging 125 ft up. The 21000 is Manitowocs second largest crane with a capacity of 1,000 tons with maxer.
[And here is an example of the 21000 with a wagon.]
Ben Stalvey posted
Brandon Storie​ lol this one for you. It's rated R a naked 2250 with maxer 2000. In the test yard years back in Manitowoc WI
Ben Stalvey 120 ft of boom 500 tons on the hook
Ben Stalvey commented on his above posting
A closer look at the Maxer 2000 up close
Ben Stalvey The Maxer takes a 300 ton 2250 and bumps it up to a capacity of 500 tons
Domenic Casa posted six pictures with the comment: "Oxford ct power plant." It is an "18000 with maxer."  Riley Anderson One of my favorite jobs is installing tube bundles!

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Two 16000s on barges with 60-foot rings. One is owned by the US Army Corps of Engineering and is called Hercules. The other is an ex-Lampson platform ringer and has been working at the Olmsted Dam for 10 years.

Ben Stalvey posted two photos with the comment: "USACE Crane Hercules and the Ex Lampson Platform Ringer. Look at the setup of the back mast in the rear of both. They sure don't seem to be the same machines."

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Tom Burkart The red rigs back mast is completely different. It was built to be lowered for bridges on the Mississippi River. It is self erecting. I believe we only built one with that setup.


Carl Dodge comment on Ben Stalvey posting
This the same crane testing with about a 104,000 pounds at about 190ft radius off the jib.
[How do they keep the barge from listing with these two cranes?]
David Neil Duncan posted
Ben Stalvey Awesome 18000 with maxer a beast of a crane

David Neil Duncan posted
Ben Stalvey 18000 680 ton craneBen Stalvey If you put a maxer wagon on her she will lift 825 tonsRobert Burbridge This is the workhorse. The MLC doesn't have the reliability.Ben Stalvey Alot issues with the new MLC?Robert Burbridge From what I have dealt with, is the tray losing calibration, all the updates, 6 software updates, oil leaks, etc. It's not a machine that doesn't make you nervous anytime it's working. This is only my first hand knowledge. But they are trying to resolve the problems.
Nick Magnotta commented on the above posting
This is probably not a Manitowoc, but it is of a comparable design. One comment noted that the high pile of counterweights had not been moved backwards while holding the load.

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One advantage of today's phones being able to take videos is that we have multiple views of this accident. This view clearly shows that the problem was not the ground giving away because it was backing up when it tilted forward. It was probably a mismanagement of the extension of the high pile of counterweights. Note the back counterweights become part of the problem as they are free to swing forward. Fortunately, it tilted slowly enough that the men were able to run out of the way of the falling load and boom.

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Ryan Alexson posted three photos with the comment: "250 tons on the 18000."

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Ben Stalvey light liftRyan Alexson Thing literally cost 30 million.
Ben Stalvey commented on his posting
[Back when it made its cranes on the peninsula, it could easily ship is big ringer crawlers using a boat. (Probably on a boat it made because they started as a boat company and became a crane company.)]

Posted by Kevin Coffman        Kirk Sawberger Terry Hill they were rated 600 tons if I remember correctly
The ground must be very hard because they are not using any mats. Then it occurred to me this is a yard were they make oil rigs, not a general construction site. So yes, they maintain a hard ground.


William Platou posted
Not my pic .. 21000 going up in South Texas .. from big to small it's all physics..pulleys and triangles...
Earl Click Sheaves dude not pulleys.William Platou I get it, in crane language its sheaves; in physics its pulleys-its true a crane is triangles either compression or de-compression..Gary Fox A 21,000 is going together at Ottumwa IA. Parts started arriving last week.
Corey Thomas commented on the above posting
Worked around this crane. Seems like it has been for sale for awhile!
George N Annie Lane posted
Two 18000 doing som wind turbines !
Mike Weaver Nice, first time I've seen twins in this application.


George N Annie Lane The one on the left getting ready to set tower sections and top out ,the one on the right is tracking down to the next pad site !
It seems that can configure about any type of crane as a ringer. This one illustrates how they can pile a lot of counterweights on a ringer since they are directly supported by the ringer rail.


Jeremy Rawlings posted
[Unfortunately, none of the comments asked about the location. One reason for following crane groups is to learn about new bridges that are being built.]

Building a power plant with an 18000 Manitowoc:


Steve Manning posted
This 21000 making easy work unloading header
Steve Manning 240/240 and yes it's TVA.
[Fortunately some comments provided views of the crane itself. The trailer hauling the header is rather impressive itself.]
Ra Lowery commented on the above posting
Was there today
Brandon Storie commented on the above posting
Austin Strut Kay posted
Work has stopped on a train bridge as a CSX intermodal consist train barrels through this morning in Adams, TN
Manitowoc 18000
Uwe Scharfe posted, 2 18000s
Uwe Scharfe Happened aprox 8 years ago In Baku Azerbaijan. Cause:= Ground on one side slighly out of levell = over she goes sideways!
[Note the boom is crumpled to the side over the left crawler. Judging from the comments, The connection between the boom and the mast is two "pendant bars" connected to a "bridle." Speculation is that when the crane started tilting sideways because of soft ground, one pendant bar and then the other. That is why the boom fell to the side. And some commented that they were glad to see the mast stays are strong enough to hold the mast even with a shock load.]

Ben Stalvey posted
A neat breakdown sheet of a Manitowoc 4600 Ringer. For those who are not familiar with them.
Dennis DeBruler I'm not in the industry. I use this group to learn about cranes. I was surprised to see that a ringer has crawler tracks.Bill Lawton Dennis a ringer is an attachment for a crawler crane.Toby Dobson Not all ringers have crawlers under them.Bill Lawton Your right Toby but as a general rule they use a crawler.
Mario Alberto Martinez posted
La manitowoc 21000 OCTA-TRACK
[You can clearly see the pairs of tracks in each corner in this photo.]

An article about Hercules building the towers for the I-310 bridge over the Mississippi River in Luling, LA.