Saturday, September 30, 2017

IHB Michigan Avenue Yard and Tank Car Explosion

(see below for satellite information)

I learned about this yard while trying to determine where a propane tank blew up in a tank car cleaning facility.

Gabe Argenta commented on a posting
According to comments, it was the old UTLX 86 cleaning company and is now the Lakeshore Railcar and Tanker Services. Google marks it as United Rail Services.

Alan Craig commented on a posting
The above photo allowed me to determine the exact location of the explosion. Basically, the white building on the right no longer exists.
3D Satellite
But the key comment in terms of learning railroad yards was: "Herman Lund It's off the south end of the IHB Michigan Ave yard." It is a large yard that is still a yard, as opposed to an intermodal facility. According to a B&OCT map, the tracks to the northeast are also part of this yard.
Arturo Gross Flickr 1995 Photo

Arturo Gross Flickr 2017 Photo,  a unit train of steel coils. Arturo commented: "3528 is an ex BN unit and has an unusual flared radiator section." David Brown commented on Arturo's posting: "It’s because it’s an Ex LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) locomotive."

Arturo Gross Flickr 2001 Photo You can see two blast furnaces in the background.

Arturo Gross Flickr 2018 Photo of an IHB train that is still using GP38-2s.

Arturo Gross Flickr 2018 Photo of gensets pulling out a string of tank cars while a CP loco waits to enter the yard. (posting)
Jerry Jackson commented on Arturo's post
Man, the Harbor sure has changed.

Arturo Gross Flickr   "Indiana Harbor Belt NRE 3GS21C Genset 2163 leads a string of tank cars south out of Michigan Ave Yard in East Chicago IN, Dec 23 2018, while CP 9771 waits for a signal to head north into the yard."

Arturo Gross Flickr    "East Chicago IN used to be switcher territory, illustrated by the fine examples here. Elgin Joliet & Eastern SW1200 304 taking the CSX/EJ&E connector at Calumet Tower, while IHB NW2 8821 works at Michigan Avenue Yard, Nov 1993."

Arturo Gross Flickr "Fifteen years ago, NS 4813 an ex Conrail B40-8 leads a hot metal bottle train past Michigan Avenue Yard in East Chicago, headed for IHB's Lakefront Yard, Aug 6 2004."

CGW Austin (also Chicago Transfer and 48th Ave.) Yard

The "Austin" name is because that is the town it was in. The "48th Ave." name is because that was the former name for Cicero Ave.
Mark Llanuza posted
Eastbound 192 at Austin Yard 1967 [photo collection Mark Llanuza]
Tom Casper That is the six pack I like
Ean Kahn-Treras yeah...holy crap. Passing right by the Central Ave station on the Forest Park branch. It doesn't have much time left in service either as it was abolished as a station stop in September of 73.

I'm gonna have to get you a photo of the CSX candy job [Ferrara Candy Company] passing this exact spot so you can see how little has actually changed here. Very neat, Mark

The caption on Mark's photo raised the question: where is Austin Yard?
The yard the CGW leased from the B&OCT was called the "Chicago Transfer Yard" and it lays just south of the Eisenhower Expressway between Cicero and Laramie Avenues in Chicago. The yard is lightly used today by the CSXT to serve a couple local industries. CGW freights normally operated directly into the B&OCT yard and the power layed over there, while the small amount of local traffic CGW handled was set out and switched at "the Transfer". [Trains]
It would have been the 48th Ave. Yd. on this map:
As usual, there were more, and longer, tracks in 1938. But I'm surprised how much vacant land was south of the yard. I'm used to seeing a lot of "brown land" in today's aerial views of railroad and industrial areas, but I'm not used to seeing what appears to be a lot of torn down industrial buildings in 1938.
1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP
Dennis DeBruler posted a link of a CGW map with the comment:
Chicago Great Western shared access to downtown Chicago with Wisconsin Central. That shared route is now owned by B&OCT. CGW was abandoned by C&NW rather soon after they bought them. WC had the Schiller Park yard. Where was CGW's Chicagoland yard?
Ean Kahn-Treras Chicago Transfer Yard roughly on the Chicago/Cicero border. Laramie and Roosevelt/12th St.

Paul Turner So the line that servers Ferrara Pan alongside 290 was originally CGW?
Chris Schultz Paul Turner B&OCT.
Paul Turner So always B&OCT?
Dennis DeBruler Paul Turner No
The first owner of the completed shared route was the Chicago & Great Western. (The adjective "completed" means I skipped railroads that got charters but did not do much with them.) Note the ampersand. This was not the CGW. Back then (circa 1880s) CGW was using the name Minnesota & Northwestern. WC back then, in Illinois, was called Chicago & Wisconsin. (Many railroads in 1928 were constructed from shorter railroads that were chartered and built in the 19th Century.) I'll simplify the history by using the CGW and WC names in these notes. The C&GW used a temporary passenger station at Wells and Polk Streets in 1888.
Henry Villard became president of the Northern Pacific in 1881 and wanted to gain direct access to the Chicago market so he leased WC. Then he formed Chicago & Northern Pacific Railroad and used it to buy C&GW in 1889 along with some other shortlines that C&GW had acquired. He opened Grand Central Station in 1890 and convinced B&O to move their passenger trains from the IC tracks to this station in 1891. Pere Marquette also moved their trains to this station.
Mr. Villard not only entered the passenger market with a grand new station, he entered the freight market by consolidating many little railroads as the Chicago Terminal Transfer Railroad. Then his Chicago operations went bankrupt and B&O scooped them up in 1910 to form B&OCT.
The above was an attempt to summarize the info in the boct-history-4-11-1947 file in the Files section of this group.
(I want to thank Bob Lalich for providing me the copy of the B&OCT history file that I uploaded to Files.)

Andre Kristopans The line east of the Madison St grade crossing was B&OCT. Back in 1800s was owned by the Northern Pacific Ry (the one out west, who owned the Wisconsin Central at one time). B&O got a hold of it in the 1890s as part of a bankruptcy. CGW was a tenant. Freight yard was leased from B&OCT, roundhouse east of Cicero, also leased part of B&O roundhouse at Roosevelt Rd downtown. As an aside B&OCT was not absorbed by CSX, it still exists as an operating entity with employees, and in fact some of CSX's newer GE's are on paper owned by B&OCT!

Andre Kristopans Chicago Transfer Yard was owned by B&OCT. CGW rented certain tracks but not whole yard.
Dennis DeBruler Did CGW rent stalls in this roundhouse as well?
How did WC and CGW passenger trains use the B&OCT Lincoln Coach Yard. And the roundhouse in Robey Street Yard? Or did B&OCT handle the coaches like C&WI did for its owners?
Andre Kristopans Dennis DeBruler now I am not 100% certain, but it APPEARS SOO and WC simply backed their trains in and out of Grand Central. Likely had a couple of local crews to do it, but there is no indication B&OCT was involved. Will look into this some more though.
Andre Kristopans Dennis DeBruler here is some more info. It appears SOO owned from Madison St to Central Ave, B&OCT east of there. B&OCT had rights to Madison St however, and SOO had rights to Grand Central. CGW appears to be strictly a tenant. Also interestingly the Madison to Central stretch actually was owned by "Central Terminal", leased from day 1 to Minneapolis St Paul & Sault Ste Marie, subleased to Wisconsin Central (which itself was of course leased to MStP&SSM.)

You ever want to really get into the weeds as to who begat who and who owns who in the railroad world, take a look at the ICC Valuation Reports in the WW1 era. Much of it is very dry financial stuff, but they go into great detail as far as predecessors, subsidiaries, trackage leased or leased out. For instance, they detail the Pennsylvania Railroad (Lines East) and Pennylvania Company (Lines West) and their nearly 400 predecessors and subsidiaries in great detail.
Andre Kristopans Dennis DeBruler one additional info - CGW coach yard in 1920s was at "Empire Slip". Any ideas? Sounds like right at Grand Central maybe?
Dennis DeBruler Andre Kristopans I would assume that "Empire Slip" were some dedicated tracks in the Lincoln Street Coach Yard.
I know that B&OCT used to have a commuter service. But I assume most of those tracks were built by Northern Pacific backed assets to support Grand Central Station.

Actually, I try hard to avoid the "who begat who" spider webs. (For example, that is why I used the term "Northern Pacific backed assets" above rather than a railroad name.) By default, I use the 1928 names in my notes. If I do dig deeper, I try to find the name that chartered the route and, if different, the name that built the route. My introduction to the complexity of the corporate history of railroad routes was Pennsy's Panhandle. In particular, the Chicago & Great Eastern that gave them access to Chicago. Not only did it have over 20 corporate names throughout its history, it used the C&GE name four times!

So I generally ignore corporate ownership details. But I am interested in details as to how trains operated in 1928, which was probably the peak of "normal" railroading. (As opposed to WWII railroading.) Bill Molony has explained that C&WI owners would pull their passenger trains into Dearborn Station and then take their road engines back to their own yards. C&WI switchers would handle the movement of coaches between the station and their 47th Street Coach Yard. C&WI would then bill the owners for these movements. (Parts of 47th Street were also leased to Erie for their freight operations.) Now that I'm thinking about it, I don't know if the owner or C&WI switched the headend cars to the REA, etc.

Brian Watt Wasn't what became UPRR Wood St Yard formerly a CGW installation?
Dennis DeBruler commented on Brian's comment on Dennis' post
Wood St Yard was C&NW's Potato Yard. But B&OCT did have two yards east of it: Robey Street and Lincoln Street. But I don't know how WC(SOO), CGW, B&O and PM shared those facilities. The following map was posted by Henry Freeman in 2016. C&NW bought the B&OCT land to create its Global I intermodal yard. (Steam loco servicing and a coach yard was obsolete anyhow.)
Wood Street Yard:

Twin Bridges over the Wabash in Bluffton, IN

Even on the east side of Indiana, the Wabash River was wide enough that towns thought twice about building bridges across it. The multiple postcards made of the twin bridges is an indication of how important they were to the community. To this day, there is only one road bridge. I assume the railroad bridge is the Cloverleaf because it was originally narrow gauge. I'm guessing the Cloverleaf was later realigned to cross further downstream to share the Lake Erie & Western route through town. But the road bridge does not look like a predecessor to Main Street because of the sharp curve at the end. I would need to find Sanborn Maps to determine where these twin bridges crossed the Wabash. (Note to self: the album these photos are from contained several covered bridges.)

Photo from Kenneth Childers

Photo from Kenneth Childers
Photo from Kenneth Childers

Friday, September 29, 2017

NS/NKP Bridge over St. Marys River in Fort Wayne, IN

(Bridge Hunter, 3D SatelliteStreet View from Main, Street View from Sherman)

The satellite and street views would be of today's NS/N&W/NKP bridge. This 1889 bridge would not be able to hold the "big steam locomotives" that NKP ran in the 20th Century.
Great Memories and History of Fort Wayne, Indiana posted
St. Mary's River from west Main Street bridge, 1889, showing stone factory or mill with smokestack by iron bridge. ACPL
Matt Reibs River Greenway to the left, parking lot to the right in modern times.
[Since the NKP used the right-of-way of the Wabash and Erie Canal, there probably was an aqueduct here over the St. Marys River in the mid 1800s. (Update: Tom's History describes the mill and the covered aqueduct that proceeded this bridge.)]

Becky Osbun also posted
Rick Brandt The view is looking North. The trestle seems farther away, I think, because the original Main St bridge was farther South than today's bridge.
Randy Harter This is the Orff Mill, however, it had other names/owners over the years. The mill was on the east side of the St Mary’s, just south [actually, north] of the Main St bridge. The tiny triangular shaped park there on Main with the statue of the boys who swam in the aqueduct is sitting in the eponymous Orff Park. While this was originally an overshot mill driven by water diverted from the Wabash & Erie Canal (which closed in 1874) in this photo we can see the smokestack indicating it was has been converted to steam engine.

Kenneth Childers posted
Wells Street Bridge over the St. Mary's River [posted by Downtown Fort Wayne, facebook, 2017-07-30]
[A lot of comment agree with Kenneth that this is the Wells Street Bridge, but clearly, it is the NS/NKP Bridge. The bridge in the background is the Main Street Bridge because of the concrete arches.]

Photo from Kenneth Childers' posting
'Wabash and Erie Canal aqueduct at Fort Wayne' [Pictorial History of Fort Wayne Griswold 1917]
Fourth photo posted by David Coleman
Great Memories and History of Fort Wayne, Indiana posted
Photo of the painting by Ralph Dille of the Wabash and Erie Canal Aqueduct over the St. Mary's River at Fort Wayne. Aqueduct also known as the St. Mary's Aqueduct. 1882.

Chris Gleason posted
[Fortunately, the comments confirmed it was this NS/NKP bridge.]

Screenshot @ -0:14

Aban/C&NW/CGW crosses over C&NW

Mark Llanuza posted
My before and after shot at Lombard IL 1980 and 2015 on tre CGW line
The trail builders decided to add curves and build brand new bridges to keep the bridges shorter of the 3-track C&NW and St. Charles Road.

This was out in the boonies in 1938. The current St. Charles Road has been built since then. The 1938 St. Charles Road is now St. Charles Place.
1939 Aerial Photo from ILHAP
Mark Llanuza posted
Its 1980 westbound crossing over The CNW
Mark Llanuza posted
Its 1980 with westbound crossing over the CNW main line in Lombard IL
Jack Morgan Did that curve around the bridge supprt on main three have any restriction at all? It likely isnt as sharp as it looks but I still cant see trains doing 60+ mph around it..?Debbie Boers I always wondered about little curve too. I rode few scoots back then and don't remember any slowing down for it. I believe track speed was 70 MPH (psgr) most everywhere on the Galena Divn.
Mark reposted his older photo as a standalone photo:
Mark Llanuza posted
Its 1979 eastbound commuter goes under the the former CGW line with westbound Frt coming at Lombard IL
Chris John posted
This is what was left of the CGW bridge over the C&NW in Lombard, Illinois in November, 1984.
Third photo posted by Marty Bernard
CGW 104C crossing CNW, Lombard, IL in January 1965. Rick Burn photo.
Sam Richards Eastbound or westbound?
Sam Richards So St. Charles Road overpass is under the eighth car back, approximately? I grew up in Elmhurst, and my mom drove often to my uncle's in Lombard, saw this bridge often, but never a train on it. Saw several, though, looking out back window of the Burger King about a half-mile east of here on St. Charles!
Rick Hess WB if St. Charles RD is passing below the 8th car. This would make it #143 which was called for Noon @ the Chicago Transfer. The other scheduled WB, #91, had a Midnight call time.

BSNF/Santa Fe Bridge over Spoon River near Dahinda, IL

(Bridge Hunter, no Historic Bridges, Satellite)

I would have ignored yet-another-railroad bridge until I noticed it was over the Spoon River. I remember Spoon River is where the KJRY had a truss bridge collapse. Fortunately, railroads are much more willing to maintain truss bridges than IDOT is. This is a pin-connected Parker truss that was built in 1910.

The track speed is high for such an old bridge.(new window)

Aerial views of four trains running over the trestle spanning the Spoon River at Dahinda, Illinois. This is the BNSF's Chillicothe subdivision. BNSF 7674 Wes.

Since it is the Chillocothe subdivision (former Santa Fe), I thought it would be just the usual collection of pigs, stacks, and racks. But there is a mixed freight train.
It looks like the three 4-bay NS hoppers are carrying tock (URL)
In some of his photos in Bridge Hunter, Steve uses his shoe to demonstrate how big some of the pins are.

KJRY/TP&W Bridges over Spoon River near Siville, IL

(Old Bridge Hunter, New Bridge HunterSatellite of Old Truss, Satellite of Replacement Steel Girder)

Fmiser photo from Bridge Hunter, License: Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike (CC BY-SA)

Keokuk Junction Railway wrecked this bridge over Spoon River even though it had been inspected just a few months earlier. "Built 1890; collapsed Sept. 16, 2013; replaced with deck girder spans and reopened May 21, 2014." [Old Bridge Hunter]

"Built for the Missouri Pacific Colorado River crossing in Bay City, Texas; moved here in 2014" [New Bridge Hunter]

Four photos were posted on Facebook with the comment:
A train carrying corn syrup derailed just off of Route 95 on Seville Road, sending freight cars into the Spoon River yesterday 9-16-13. Here is an article link and a copy of their photos. Here is another link about it. [I see both links are now broke! :-( It seems I should ignore copyright considerations and copy the content so that it won't disappear. One of them mentioned that corn syrup was a pollutant as far as the fish was concerned. Some died.]



Pictures of trains crossing the bridge, including some cab units, were posted on Facebook. A photo of the Fs on the new Spoon River bridge from a different angle. A video of some trains in action including more F units.

Thursday, September 28, 2017

Indian Lake Spillway and Miami & Erie Canal Feeder

(Satellite, 52+ photos)

Jack Hines posted
4000 working at Indian Lake spillway, Russell's Point, Oh.
Keith Moore I ran there 40 ton grove there for four months Reese is the operator on the 4000 does a great job of it solid dude for sure
It appears the spillway designers tried to ensure that only a small stream of water would go over the spillway because a long dam feeds water under a rather short bridge. With only a small stream over the dam, I would not think it would be a drowning machine. I wonder why it is being replaced with a V-shaped dam design. It looks like it needs to be replaced because of spalling on the dam's surface. And it does appear that the flow can get rather heavy even with its long length. So if you are going to build a new dam anyhow, it might as well be of a modern design. They are also installing erosion mats on the downstream side.

When I saw how big Indian Lake is, more than a couple of miles wide, I wondered if it was built for the Miami and Erie Canal. The following map confirms that Indian Lake was a summit lake for the canal. That is, it is a lake built near the summit of the canal to store water for the canal to supply water during dry seasons. There should have been a gate structure to let water out when the water level was below the spillway to feed the canal. They must have removed the gate structure since the canal feeder function is now obsolete.

Cannelton Locks, Dam and Hydro Power

Ryan Burleson posted three photos with the comment: "Found these working at the Cannelton locks and dam. I'm fixing the RT in the bottom of the lock."


Mark Goodrich 39w.Ben StalveyGroup Admin Sure looks nice yet

Jack Hines Long walk for tools, isn't it!Ryan Burleson Yes sir. About 5 stories of stairs and the length of a lock twice. That's just one way. I did a lot work with 1 pair of pliers. LolJack Hines Ryan Burleson I'll bet, I always carried a pair of channel lock in my back pocket.
When I looked at the satellite image, I noticed this dam has already had a 3-bulb, 88-MW hydro power plant added on the side. This reminded me to check the status of the hydro power plant being built next to the Smithland Dam. The 2017 satellite image has not changed from the one copied in the posting. The Bing image is old enough to show the Cannelton plant still being constructed.

Bing Satellite

Grand Avenue (Indiana Street) Bridge

(Old Bridge HunterBridge Hunter, HAER IL-139Historic Bridges3D Satellite including the approach on the west side)

Xavier Quintana posted
August 1975: cyclists are among the last to cross the Grand Avenue bridge before wrecking crews began dismantling the deteriorating structure. It was closed for almost 2 years while the old span was torn down and a new 4-lane concrete and steel bridge was constructed. Photo by Quentin Dodt (Vintage Tribune)
Patrick McBriartyGroup Admin This bridge was at the western approach and viaduct over the railroad tracks to the 1914 bascule bridge crossing the North Branch of the Chicago River.
Dennis DeBruler commented on Xavier's posting
A 1938 aerial view shows the tracks the viaduct was crossing.
The tracks were part of the Erie Street and Grand Avenue Yard.

As Historic Bridges points out, the swing bridge was replaced by a wider bascule bridge in 1915, but a wider viaduct to feed the bridge was not built until 50 years later. By the 1970s, the rail yards in the city that supported industries and passenger car service during the horse and buggy days were disappearing.

From Historic Bridges
Xavier Quintana posted
A 1958 view of Wolf Point with the Lake Street elevated train and bridge in foreground. Kinzie Street bridge is in the middle of the frame. (Vintage Tribune)
[Grand was the first viaduct over the C&NW YardsErie was the second viaduct.]
William Russ comented on a posting
 Grand Avenue bridge

Sunday, September 24, 2017

Bending Crawler Crane Booms and Servicing Power Towers

It seems to be standard operating procedure for telescopic booms to bend under load. But I'm now seeing photos of a truss boom on a crawler crane bending when it is first raised. I've already learned that windmill farms and windmill transport are good markets for crane services. The 460' barge mounted crane below and the Facebook posting I added at the end teach me that electric power transmission towers are also a good market for cranes.

A big deal in operating a crane is the radius of the load. As the boom is lowered to increase the radius of the load (the distance the load is from the pivot point), the more the center of gravity moves towards the load. If the center of gravity moves too far, it is no longer over the crawler tracks and the crane starts tipping. To keep the center of gravity centered over the tracks is why they add counterweights to the back of the housing. But if you add too many counterweights, then the crane will tip over backwards when the boom is in a raised position. When a boom is lowered to the ground, the weight of the boom itself can be too much load for the counterweight. Historically, the crane they used to help build the crawler crane would also help pick up the boom until it was high enough that the crane's counterweights could balance the boom.

In the past, crane designers solved the balancing of load and counterweights by extending the size of the pivot point using a second set of crawler tracks (stinger or X-tender), a ring, or a weight wagon on the back. Now they use VPC (Variable Position Counterweight). That is, the counterweight is mounted so that it can move towards or away from the pivot point as the load and/or radius changes. With VPC, the crane can push the counterweight out far enough to balance lifting a long boom off the ground. I've recently come across some postings that show the bend in the boom when it is raised off the ground. I think it is different people taking pictures of the same event.

Chuck Brower posted six photos. The comments indicate the boom is 460 feet and it can be raised without an assist. It also points out the "midpoint lines."
Jim Browne The extra pendants are well ahead of the mid-point to create counter-moment in the boom that resists the bending moment along its whole length. At high boom angles they apply very little moment as the boom is no longer bending as much. Its pretty clever.



Chad Rogers posted
Booming up 405’ on a 650 on a barge!
Jerry Wood 465' of boom!
Bill Titus Big banana
Dewey Jefferson They sure are freaky when they flex like that.
[Several comments discuss the mid point bars.]

Jason Curry posted two photos with the comment: "My mentor Mr Wood is operating a big one on a barge we have a mlc up here in a barge as well."


This seems to be the same power tower project as the above.
Ekbal Abdullah posted
I must say i really salute who ever was on this MLC [650] playing on a small barge with high boom 🙏👍

Reed Perkins commented on Ekbal Abdullah's post

Reed Perkins commented on Ekbal Abdullah's post
Mark Lacouture Looks like the barge is 120 by 120Reed Perkins 459' and 30' offset attachment.Ryan Lewis was that the job in the James RiverReed Perkins Ryan Lewis yes sir.Mike Herbert How do you put that together? Cant lay down. On land first and walk it on the barge?

Reed Perkins commented on Ekbal Abdullah's post
Mark Lacouture I was on the other side of the hook but I know that we put well over 100k out 200' from the center pin.

Reed Perkins commented on Mike Herbert's comment on Ekbal Abdullah's post
(new window)

I noticed the main boom has a bend when they disassemble the Manitowic 31000.
Copied from Manitowoc's 31000
Ben Stalvey commented on his posting
For those who have never seen Manitowoc largest crane the Manitowoc 31000.

Philippe Dumas
posted four photos with the comment: "MLC 650 VPC MAX - BOOM 146 m."
Steve Keenan Wow look at that deflection

Poseidon barge article from Ben Stalvey's posting.
Chad Rogers posted
David Wallace Mlc 650 vpc max
James Chamberlin Irrelevant that it’s on a barge, I’m just happy to see it on mats.
Jim Browne On the James River, just south of Richmond 
Chad RogersChad and 3 others are consistently creating meaningful discussions with their posts. Ben Stalvey rented it in Virginia for transmission towers. And I assure you things were by the book.



Jim Eggers posted
[Comments indicate it is a 2250 Series 3.]
Dan Kirk commented on Jim's posting
Must of been the same day
Mark Conrad See we still had cable stay boxes to put up in this pic. 44k over 200 feet in the air hardly even felt like it had a load on. Setting some with the 14,000 with 280' of boom reminded you that you were dealing with a decent amount of weight though, haha.
Mark Conrad commented on Jim's posting
Looks like this might have been the same day? Except I was there early before the fog burned off and had it boomed down and ready for inspection, haha.
Jim Eggers Yes it was
Mike Weaver commented on Amos' posting
just a tad short of max
[You can see some deflection in the boom at this angle. I wonder how low the boom can go.]
Dave Faul posted
MLC 650 341 main 292 luffer first time in Manitowoc history
Video of the boom being raised (source)
Rune Rikstad posted
Soon ready for the next turbine in the north of Sweden.
Jordan Eric Dworaczyk How much boom?
Rune Rikstad 138+12m [492']
Jerry Wood posted four photos with the comment:
I would like to share my photos of my experience with a Manitowoc MLC 650 VPC-MAX S-2 on a Bardge, with 459.3ft of boom wind attachment @ 41°.Very nice piece of equipment! The company i work for has a lot of the sweet old cranes from 3900, 4000, 4100, ringers, towers. We also have a 16000, two 2250, and a MLC 300.
Shawn Kennedy Look at the banana in that boom! Sheesh
Joe Hyde I think that 650 has moved onto Quebec now,, still a lot of boom and accessories in the Baltimore yard though....
Ben StalveyBen and 4 others manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Manitowoc Crane Enthusiasts. Very nice sharp crane did this one have the wide pads
Jerry WoodJerry and 211 others joined Manitowoc Crane Enthusiasts within the last two weeks. Give them a warm welcome into your community! That's correct!
Frank Pasalano Jr. Sweet pics. What size barge is it on
Jerry WoodJerry and 211 others joined Manitowoc Crane Enthusiasts within the last two weeks. Give them a warm welcome into your community! 120' × 120' persiden bardge
Jerry Bennett I can't imagine that much boom on a barge
Jerry WoodJerry and 211 others joined Manitowoc Crane Enthusiasts within the last two weeks. Give them a warm welcome into your community! It handled it very nice. List or trim was never more than 0.3° the vpc balanced everything very well!
Steven Mernit Jack-up barge?
Jerry WoodJerry and 211 others joined Manitowoc Crane Enthusiasts within the last two weeks. Give them a warm welcome into your community! No, it was floating!





Jerry Wood posted four photos with the comment: "Busy day! The big red monster is back."
Jerry Wood 449.5 with wind tip.
[A comment indicates 880,000 lbs of counterweight.]


Ben Stalvey Sweet both MLC 650 ad MLC 300



Clayton Korzekwa posted three photos with the comment: "Put a MLC 300 VPC together this morning 252’ main."
Ben Stalvey Sweet wind farm job?
Clayton Korzekwa Ben Stalvey yes sir.
[In photo 1 it looks like they have a 2250 to help build the MLC300. The 2250 probably handles the base tower segments and then the MLC300 comes a long and does the higher stuff.]


Robert Halverson posted
Getting ready to boom her up
Ben Stalvey It seems several MLC 300 are replacing the 16000. Must have a better chart for wind applications.

Steve Worley commented on Robert's post
[The man puts into perspective how big these booms are.]

Norbert Schindler commented on Robert's post
[I wish they would specify the model]
Phillip Permenter commented on a post
Ben Stalvey wow that is alot boom and bow

Kris Must posted
Roy Stone Where does All have a 21000 up at?
David Russian I work for ALL, I believe this pic is a few yrs old. This looks like a refinery in Philly.

End of boom bending section and beginning of electrical transmission section.

Kevin Foran posted
Austin Schimschat On a barge?
Kevin Foran Yes series 2 vpc max 459ft with wind top [Mlc 650]
Kevin Foran Took it like a champ barge didn't even move lol
Austin Schimschat Footprint of the barge?
Kevin Foran 132x132
Kevin Foran James River in Virgina by richmond
Slim Cooper Can you boom up enough to reach the hook from the deck? Looks like you would have to be topped up almost to the stops. Hope you don't get too big of a wake going by when doing that. [Unfortunately, I never saw an answer to this question.]
Jim Browne What are they reaching up to? Transmission towers?
Kevin Foran Yes towers over the river.
Kevin Foran posted six photos.
Ben StalveyGroup Admin Mlc 650
Brenton Kimble Why so much boom?
Kevin Foran High line towers to replace I guess they are over 400 or so I hear.
Kevin Foran I think all the wind boom u can put a little over 500 in it and get it off the ground.....wild.
Eric Thomas It is. Very wild 500 feet of main boom is crazy enough let alone picking it up unassisted.






Lucas B Sustrich commented on a posting about the cold
Yep, had to come down and clean my anos
I did not understand what he meant until his next comment (picture below). He meant get the ice off of his anemometer so that he can get accurate wind speed measurements. He has to stop work if the wind speed gets too high.
Lucas B Sustrich commented on a posting about the cold

Amos Padgett posted
[I think this is an 18000.]
Mike Weaver commented on Amos' posting
just a tad short of max
[You can see some deflection in the boom at this angle. I wonder how low the boom can go.]

Wind Turbines have grown enough that they are using some really long booms to top them out.
Dave Kovach posted
Booming up Ben Mueller Sr. big unit [370']
Dave Kovach Stephen Randolph MLC650 with maxStephen Randolph Dave Kovach
Looking forward to putting some time in the seat of one.
I enjoy the 16000 & 18000

But with the size of these turbines going up, its only a matter of time before I end up in one
Alex Craib That's the scary bit but you have to keep going once you start.....

Thomas Seaman II Bill Strealy I just rememer how crazy it was booming up and the head section was 8” off the ground and the middle still on Dunnagelol
Bill Strealy Thomas Seaman II Right on, deflection is concerning to see.
Sean Brennan Designed for it.
Read the manual and you'll be fine.

David Goekler commented on Dave's post

Alex Black commented on Dave's post
Best I got
Jay Schell commented on Dave's post
For a 16000WA, 301' This is the best I can do. LOL.
Since this was posted on the same day as the above and since I came across a "just boomed up" comment, I presume this is the same crane.
Zach Howdeshell posted
She looks ready to stack some turbines
[The comments have detailed shots of the connection of the bridal and pendants to the maxxer.]

Erecting Electric Power Towers

I assume this is the Poseidon Barge crane pictured above during assembly at work on one of the towers.
Chuck Brower posted

Facebook resolution of part of the above photo
Chuck Brower posted eight photos:



And the disassembly of the tower continues. Poseidon Barge added four photos with the comment: "More great shots of Cianbro at work on Poseidon P-10's! Yes, that is a Manitowoc MLC650!!!!"




(new window) "The tallest crane boom used on a barge ... ever." At 1:45 the video says they raised the boom using the ringer crane.

Riley Anderson posted
A little 16000 demob action from today.
[I don't know what "demob" means, but judging from the other seven photos it means removing the fixed jib.]
Dustin Seles First fixed jib I’ve seen on a 16000.
Riley AndersonGroup Admin it's a conversion of a 133 luffing jib.
Gary Castagnetti posted four photos with the comment: "Erecting a high tension transmission tower in the Bay Area of California in the early 80's."



Ernest White Jr. commented on a posting
[Working on a tower that already has wires is a puzzle. Obviously, the wires are currently de-energized. I decided they are building a tower in the foreground to replace the tower behind it. But why a tower would need replacement is still a puzzle. The old one is already carrying two circuits.]
Screenshot @ -.06
[Note how all of the bending is near the end. In two more seconds, the boom breaks.]
Screenshot @ -.04

Simon Juhnson commented on a video
[Note the bars coming down from the pendant chain to the boom a few lengths away from the end of the pendant chain. The comments on the video refer to this as a midpoint. The comments indicate the lack of midpoints is why the yellow boom failed. The Assembly Director would be at fault, but the operator should have some common sense. Even I know a boom is not supposed to bend like that.]
Michael Houkamau ahahahahahaha i have come across this problem before hilarious when you tell them whats gonna happen and you tell them i'm knocking off now so i don't become a part of the crew who brakes the boom section 5 mins later broken
Don Burkett Jr Liebherr is an awesome crane, but with that much boom in it; still should have had midpoints added....

Ben Stalvey posted several photos of an 18000. Two show the boom down for disassembly. The boom is deflected because it has a wind tip. His comment was "Big bad 18000 without maxer good for 660 tons." It was working on windmills in Denmark, WI.






Wade Jerome Guza commented on an update
Phillip Williams commented on an update
Jamie Shields Phillip Williams whos machine was this? How much boom? The midpoints seem pretty far back.Phillip Williams Jamie Shields that was Olsen Beals I wanna say 34x something been a few years. That’s the way Manitowoc tech said I thought it looked wrong but it was right!!Jamie Shields I'll have to look that up but usual the midpoints are right behind the point on the 650s. Like the pic above.Clifford Poe Jamie Shields it changes without the vpc.
Phillip Williams commented on an update
Bobby Lambert commented on an update

Screenshot @ -4:12 by Orrin Bell
Grove 350
David Whitehead Nice 6300L
[Some of the comments are critical. For example the worker walking under the load, the use of a spreader bar for a point load, and the crane is overkill for the job. There are also some comments about the "dead zone." But I don't know what/where the dead zone is so I don't understand those comments.]

I assume the challenge below was the long radius needed to reach the tower from the nearest access point.
Ryan Schupback posted four photos with the comment: "Two piece tower demo @160'."
Ted DeJonge Last time I did one of those the weight was off by 1000# Went from having some to spare to puckered in a hurry!
Ryan Schupbach That base section ended up 600# in chart. I was hoping for more.
Ted DeJonge At least you could've set the base back down.
Ryan Schupbach Ted DeJonge that was the plan. Roll the dice on the ground.





All Purpose Crane Training posted
Cranes and Powerline Safety
It is crucial to be aware of the electrocution hazards when working with cranes and powerlines overhead. Powerline owners should be notified of the day, time, and form of job demanded before start work near power lines along 

This operation is getting a lot of attention: a barge-mounted MLC650 with VPC-MAX dismantling two large transmission towers.

Barge-Mounted MLC650 Boosts Efficiency for Virginia Transmission Tower Replacement