Wednesday, August 12, 2020

Lost/B&O/Cincinnati, Indianapolis & Western Bridge over Sugar Creek near Springfield, IL

https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/illinois/multiple-bridges-park-il/ (Bridge Hunter; see below for satellite)

Cincinnati, Indianapolis & Western

Forgotten Railways, Roads, and Places posted

The comments came from Springfield and Illinois South Eastern Railway

Roger G. Perkins I question whether this trestle that is identified here as crossing Sugar Creek is on the railroad that ran from Beardstown via Springfield and Flora to Shawneetown, Illinois and was a branch line of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. Duane Carrell of Springfield, Illinois published a very detailed history of that railroad in The Sentinel which is the quarterly magazine of the B&O Railroad Historical Society.
Ronald Rice Roger G. Perkins You're correct, it's "technically" not part of the Beardstown/Shawneetown line. But it did connect with the B&O Beardstown/Shawneetown line, starting just east of Springfield before Rochester, and going on to Decatur. As the article said, because of the fire the branch was rerouted, it crossed Route 29 (trestle was taken down within the past 25/30 years). It used to join up with the main line near 19th Street. My apologies if you already knew all of that. Done plenty of exploring!
Roger G. Perkins Ronald Rice thank you for the correction. Duane Carrell who is very knowledgeable about the B&O railroad sent me the following comment: "They were incorrect. The trestle was on the line to Decatur but wasn’t far from the Flora line. When I-55 was being built in 1963 B&O built a connection from the Decatur line, just east of the trestle, over to the Flora line at Sangamon Jct., so that only one overpass had to be built. The two lines were less than a half-mile apart at that point. It conveniently allowed B&O to abandon the trestle which was a maintenance headache."
During WWII they looked at something similar, did surveys of making the cutover further east, near to Rochester, as a way of saving maintenance money and also providing scrap for the war effort. But the numbers didn’t make sense to do it then.


Dave Durham shared

Bill Edrington That trestle was on the former Cincinnati, Indianapolis & Western line from Springfield to Decatur, Tuscola, Indianapolis and Hamilton, Ohio, which was taken over by the B&O in 1927. After the Sugar Creek trestle fire, the B&O built a new connector to tie this line into the Beardstown-Shawneetown line at a point designated as Sangamon Junction, between Springfield and Rochester. The new connector crossed above IL Route 29 on a bridge that featured the B&O “Capitol dome” logo on both sides of the center pier. I believe the plans for construction of Interstate 55 may also have played a role in the abandonment of the old CI&W line into the east side of Springfield.


Dennis DeBruler commented on Dave's share
"The Map" shows both B&O routes and the connector that was added to move Cincinnati, Indianapolis & Western traffic to the Springfield & Illinois South Eastern Railway. I highlighted the location of the bridge on the CI&W route.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...
The bridge for the C&ISE is now part of the Lost Bridge Trail.
https://www.google.com/.../@39.7792658,-89.../data=!3m1!1e3
Dennis DeBruler commented on Dave's share
1950 Springfield East Quadrangle @ 1:24,000

Dennis DeBruler commented on Dave's share
1965 Springfield East Quadrangle @ 1:24,000
Dennis DeBruler commented on Dave's share
The topos show the east end of the trestle because of the embankment they built before they switched to a trestle. But I had to find this 1939 aerial to determine the location of the west end of the bridge.
https://clearinghouse.isgs.illinois.edu/.../0bhd03053.jpg


Brian Wilcoxon commented on Dave's share
The trestle fire


Brian Wilcoxon commented on Dave's share
Another pic
Brian Wilcoxon commented on Dave's share

An article about the trail and another bridge that still stands across the Sangamon River.







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