Comments concerning the choice between shovel and dragline.
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Video of Marion 7820, the world's largest. It includes walking. It has some big shovels as well.
Evansville history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzmIs6tBejQ&noredirect=1, http://www.historicevansville.com/tag.php?id=bucyrus
where Dave got Pulse April 2002: http://web.archive.org/web/20060228025447/http://www.peabodyenergy.com/pdfs/pe_pulse_april_2002.pdf. And note http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.peabodyenergy.com/*
Big Muskie (and the captain): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcmGKsHZXZ8
Troy Bratcher posted: in action video 5:00, three photos (photo of pulling out the tub with six earth movers in a comment), video of inside the house (William Law If I remember right ten swing motors, ten drag motors and eight hoist motors, 1,200 hp each., Jay Wilson Six inch floor under the drag drum, was wrinkled from the power. Stout machine.)
|Bastard rails roads air & water posted|
moving BIG MUSKIE using 9 earth scrappers in the front
Weight: 27,000,000 pounds
Height: 222 feet 6 inches
Machine length (boom down):487 feet 6 inches
Mobility: Hydraulically driven walker feet
Eamon Ault I googled more, they're scooting the tub out from beneath it.
Mike Hutchins Dave Hickcox They had more than 1 bucket as they needed hardfacing and other repairs on a rotational basis.
|Scott Simcok shared|
James Peeler Them 41-B Allis Chalmers were a brute of a machine!!
Eric S Manners I read when they rebuilt the tub, they used 30,000 lbs of welding rods!
Joseph Bonola 2 weeks work just greasing the roller path.
Bastard rails roads air & water posted
moving the parts of BIG MUSKIE took a violent amount of brutal pulling and pushing power
David Lane In dragline terms, that is the 'tub', the base that the dragline sat and rotated on. The Muskie was the largest dragline ever built(if I remember correctly) Saw these pics many years ago on the old STRIPMINE.ORG. I grew up just northeast of her.
An "Big Muskie - 4250-W Bucyru-Erie" Album with 22 photos and the comment:
The Big Muskie was a model 4250-W Bucyrus-Erie dragline (the only one ever built). With a 220 cubic yards (170 m3) bucket, it was the largest single-bucket digging machine ever created and one of the world's largest mobile earth-moving machines alongside the Illinois-based Marion 6360 stripping shovel called The Captain and the German bucket wheel excavators of the Bagger 288 and Bagger 293 family. It cost $25 million in 1969, the equivalent of $157 million today adjusted for inflation. Its bucket could hold two Greyhound buses side by side. It took over 200,000 man hours to construct over a period of about two yearsA share of the Muskie album has some interesting comments including:
Robert Bann Machine was too big, too much down time, to much maintenance. COCC realized that 2 machines designed in the 120 yard range would have out preformed the Big Muskie.
David Kam Hudder Amazing engineering
Robert Bann David Kam Hudder 6 years planning.
dragline in background and coal shovel in foreground: https://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography/6533669023/in/photostream/ (walking), https://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography/6427969419/in/photostream/ (shows "rows" of dirt)
BE 1250-B: https://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography/6496076127/in/photostream/
BE 2570-W: https://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography/6496075859/in/photostream/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography/6428176569/in/photostream/
Bear Run mine: http://www.earthmoversmagazine.co.uk/?feat=sanches-wins-claymore-challenge
BE 3850-B, Sinclair Surface Mine: https://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography/6495775949/in/photostream/
Marion 8950, AMAX's Ayrshire Mine: https://www.flickr.com/photos/perspectivephotography/6495775949/in/photostream/
|Joyce Owens posted|
This is share from Cheryl:
Took this picture this evening just across the road from our pasture! It speaks volumes as the sun is going down on "Big Kate" [Bucyrus Erie 2570]. On Oct. 4th the sun will go down on her for the last time. The mine is shutting down. Kate was assembled just a few miles North of here near Enos Corner in Pike County, In. around 1971-72. [Enos Mine] She was Union for years. Currently she's working for a non-union mine. She's not partial one way or the other. But she's has been a work horse for many, many years! I thought this was an EPIC PHOTO. Hope you enjoy it.
reviving draglines: http://www.coalage.com/features/438-armstrong-coal-refurbishes-and-deploys-massive-mining-machines.html#.VKJCd__fCdc
walking 13million pounds for 18 miles: http://www.peabodyenergy.com/content/225/Video-Gallery/13-Million-Pound-Dragline-
screwed pensions: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Peabody_Energy
Bucyrus Erie 3850B stripping shovel video that describe its design and construction for Peabody coal.
|James Stine posted|
Here in this photo from a private collection, the mighty 3850-B at Peabody's River King Mine. This photo would have been taken close to Lenzburg, Illinois in late 1964, early 1965 as the machine is very fresh. The big shovel, the second largest ever built, carried a 140 yd. dipper on a 200 ft. boom. She gave steady service from 1964-1993. The shovel was parked just north of Marissa, Illinois when she finished.
Dan Austin Are Sinclair’s, and River Kings machines identical? What difference do they have to identify them from pictures? I’ve heard a few fan shrouds are different.Michael Davis Fan shrouds are different, the font on the lettering is different, and the paint schemes are ever so slightly different.William Oldani Booms and Buckets are Different! Sinclair’s was 210’ Boom with 115 Yard Bucket!
|Screenshot from a video|
|John W. Coke -> Rail & Highway Heavy Loads|
Indiana Rail Road transporting dragline coal buckets from the Blackhawk mine to the Bear Run mine.
|John W. Coke posted|
Thomas J. McAllister I used to go by the factory in Erie as a boy. My dad would always slow down so we could see the cranes and shovels in the yard.
|Mammoet moved Peabody's 3,500 ton dragline 22 miles in 12 days instead of 30 days to "walk" it.|
|Benton Kelly posted|
1570 dumping onto apron feeders to load trucks at Drummond Ltd El Descanso mine in Colombia.
[The comments discuss the mast and gantry (A-frame) on top of the house. I've never seen apron feeders. I wonder if they are used when the size of the bucket is bigger than the bed of the truck.]
|William Oldani commented on John's posting|
|James Joe Dewar commented on John's posting|
|William Oldani posted|
For those interested, below is the “Conceptual” 500 Yard Dragline compared to the Two Largest Excavators Produced by Marion & BE!
Nick Anderson I'd move back for it. The older buildings would probably rent or purchase for less than you would expect because nobody has wanted them for 20 years. The more modern ones are taken but I'd bet a sharing arrangement could be worked out with the tenants that can't possibly need the crane capacity available!
Dennis DeBruler Nick Anderson Is it the site south of Center Street and east of Davids Street?
Nick Anderson Yes, that's it
[Note that the one in the middle was a conceptual design that was never built. Since Nick confirmed the location, I did write about that plant.]
|James Stine posted|
Shown here in a part of the Marion Product line from 1970, the available models of stripping shovels available/produced by Marion Power Shovel. It is one of the first pieces of literature I was sent from Marion. The year may have been 1972.
|Kerst De Jong shared|
Jay Wilson One of Cooney Bros. 6400
Jay Wilson 13 put together, Cooney bought 64014 as a parts machine from the factory.
Jay Wilson Friction on the drag and hoist, electric boom hoist and swing motors. Hydraulic travel.
Eric S Manners 1 and 2 were hydraulic swing. Didn't pan out.
Eric S Manners This is the only one with Westinghouse electric components. All the rest were GE.
Frank Keeney It's a beast for sure. What size is the bucket?
Eric S Manners 12 yard I believe
Jay Wilson When it was real dusty and in a bad thunderstorm, 6408 would trip a ground fault breaker and bring you to a screeching halt. Was a build up of static electricity. Wait out the storm, then go back to work. Jim Breenan said it was the only one of Cooney's machines tohave that.
Jay Wilson We backed off the brakes on top of the swing motors so it wasn't such an abrupt stop.
Eric S Manners I'm sure. Probably hard on the swings and boom and whatnot.
Jay Wilson Get one swinging at top speed with a full bucket, then kick out the exciter. You will see what I mean.
Jay Wilson Bucket way out, try to get it down without damage, was a blast.
Josh Holt Does it cause boom damage, it's gotta torque the crap out if it when it happens.
Jay Wilson Never saw any damage, guess we helped out by knowing what to try to do.
[I made one comment bold because I thought it was particularly interesting.]
|Scott Rhamey posted|
Does anybody have any information on the Joy Push Button Miner? I was thinking that it was launched at Sunnyhill mine in Ohio but this says SIMCO on the banner???
[A portable, helical conveyor belt?]
|James Stine posted|
Shown here, I believe from the Peabody magazine, the SIMCO 5760 preparing to cross an unknown road. This shovel was the second 5760 Peabody Coal purchased at the same time they purchased "Big Paul". She carried a 70 yd dipper on a 140 ft. boom. How many times this machine was deadheaded, we don't know yet. The SIMCO Mine was located near Coshocton, Ohio. It worked from 1957-1991.
Wally Brackmann That was a Marion machine.Mark Hanna State route 83.Aaron Sampsel Yes definitely 83 looking south standing on the bridge at willscreek. Later the coal belt was built going over the road in about the same spot. Coal belt ran from right outside of Otsego to the conesville power plant.
Aaron Sampsel http://www.onemine.org/document/abstract.cfm?docid=36009...
[Note it is on the left side of the photo coming down the hill to the dirt crossing that has been built to protect the paving.]
|James Stine posted|
In this photo from an advertisement in the Coal Age Magazine, the 3850-B at Sinclair Mine shortly after going to work. The shovel began moving 115 yd. bites at Peabody Coal's Sinclair Mine in late 1962 and was the largest in the world at the time. The Mine was located east of Drakesboro, KY. and fed coal to the Paradise Power Plant. This is a great shot of this machine as the operator can be seen in relation to the overall size of the machine. Nice shot indeed.
|James Stine posted|
In early 1964, Peabody Coal barged a 5560 shovel from their Key Mine located about 5 miles east of Rushville, Illinois to a new mine site in Alabama. I am guessing that it was the Tiger Mine located near Oakman, Alabama. The trip totaled some 1200 miles and required two barges, one for the shovel and the other for the crawlers and dipper stick. Total weight of the load was around 1600 ton. This photo shows the machine passing the loading facilities of Peabody Coal at St. Louis, Missouri. As to how long the move took, I am not sure at this time. Photo courtesy of Coal Age.
|HISTORICAL STRIPPING SHOVEL ARCHIVE posted|
8 years ago today. Bringing a motor out the back of the 2550 at bear run. On its way to GE in Evansville Indiana.
[This raises the issue of where and what type of facility did GE have in Evansville.]
(new window) The Marion 5600: World's Largest Shovel in 1929
David Thompson posted nine photos with the comment: "Ensham Coal mine flooded and dragline went under."
[The levee of a river that ran close to the mine broke during a flood.]
|Barry Dahm commented on the posting|
This the rebuilt machine the day myself and two crewmen walked it off the rebuild pad.
Bucyrus-Erie 300-D crawler-mounted dragline
This video features a Bucyrus-Erie 155-B, a 9 cu. yd. shovel. Introduced in 1975, this shovel replaced the 150-B shovel. Watch the machine in action at a quarry.
Big machines are also used to handle stockpiles of coal in storage lots. John W. Coke posted two photos with the comment: "Nickel Brothers. Any ideas what this is?"
|Jeremy Sno commented on John's posting|
Stacker reclaimer unit fully assembled
Michael Davis These photos are from Dave Hopper's collection on stripmine.org.
|Brandon Willis shared|
Marion Power Shovel Co., The Mountaineer, built '55-'56. 16 stories tall. This started the super-shovel era. Its shovel could handle a 100-ton payload.
Jon Timothy Wilkins The Marion Power Shovel Company went on to build NASA's 2 crawlers that took every Saturn V Apollo Rocket and every Space Shuttle to their launch pads....they will be used in the new SLS rocket series that will return to the Moon and then on to Mars.
|Mark Flood commented on Brandon's share|
[This photo provides scale for the size of the bucket and tracks.]
|Dave Majlinger shared a Sportkhana link|
[I didn't know that cable
shovels were still made. I couldn't find any capacity info.]
|Barry Thornberry posted|
[The old and the older. Big Brutus "The world's biggest electric shovel." I didn't even know there was strip mining in Kansas.]
Nate Nowak posted several photos with the comment: "Inside the Hazleton Shaft Marion 7400."
|Nate commented on his post|
[This is obviously the view from his cab.]
Drone video of a 752 digging limestone in Florida. They don't even pretend to pump the water out of the quarries. Lots of comments about loosing shovels in sinkholes.
Phil Croft asked about the shovel in a water filled pit.
Dennis DeBruler https://www.google.com/.../@40.9369001,-89.../data=!3m1!1e3
Seth Golay posted lots of comments and a video about Big Brutus (BE model 1850B, world's largest electric).
Official Bucyrus Erie 3850B video! Bucyrus Erie 3850B at Peabody's Sinclair Mine.
A big shovel is still parked near Central City, KY.
Peabody shovel accident. Was fixed in 90 days. This is the one that was later buried. As usual, no one mentined the model number or where the mine is. It seems the mining nerds don't want to teach others about their interest.
The Captain's Dying Hours
An extensive article on the damage to Southeast Ohio by strip mining and the crossing of I-70 by Tiger (46 cu yd) and Mountaineer (65 cu yd) shovels. The GEM of Egypt (130 cu yd) did not cross because of the bad publicity it had received as a symbol of the evils of strip mining.
Pages from a booklet on the Marion 8800, the world largest dragline.
Andre Tardif shared a video of Bucyrus Erie's Big Brutus, "the largest electrically powered stripping shovel left in existence"
Page Dragline, P&H Shovels are made in the Milwaukee area
John Lovaas Looks like P&H's draglines were built in the Milwaukee as well. I suspect a lot of area businesses had full blueprints for B-E machines. My dad had a full set of prints for a 5270 dragline; he consulted for Warren Fabricating(Ohio) for many years.
Page Engineering started in McCook, IL. Photos of 732 and 736