Saturday, December 31, 2016

Manitowoc's 4600 Stinger, 7000, and 16000

(If I or Google Search have a link pointing here for an 18000 or 21000, please go here.)

By hinging the boom on a crawler ahead of the body, they can use the body as a counterweight.

Two photos posted by Bruce Hawkins with the comment "The Stinger walking to work in Dec.1999 at the BP Clean Fuel Project, Brisbane Aust. Jack Thornton photo's"


Steven Camp commented on the above posting: " I believe this is the drawing for it."
[On Facebook someone posted a link to this copy.]
Update: What was called a "stinger" was also called an "X tender."
Ben Stalvey posted
4100 X tenders anyone know how many were built? I always see two 4100 x tenders working in pairs in photos.
James Blackwell 13
Corey Gerber Not a tandem but a quad lift. The flag man must have been nervous as a long tail cat in a rocking chair factory.
Rich Trosper I was one of the rigging/iron super on this job-exxon Shute Creek. I worked with Russ Ellis, Rigging boss for Stearns Catylitc, PCC did the job. At that time there were just the two, actually were designed for this job, the travel rds were designed to walk them through out the job we walked them back and forth through the job from the railhead to all the vessel and much of the pipe rack modules that were delivered from Pocatello Idaho that were fabricated at the old Bucyrus Erie plant there. Russ told me that the concept for these were sketched up on a napkin at dinner with some Manitowoc people. A big pissing match occurred because of the Lampson transilift being copied. Don't think it went to lawsuit but it was close. As far as I know there were two and this job was the only one they were used on. I still have the charts and some drawings lift plans for these. The vessel in this picture was 692 ton and on the way to the jobsite they derailed in green river Wyoming, and jacking frames and crew were brought in, thinking it was heavy haul out fit out of Texas, but we used Premay out of Canada some and then the other half of this job was at LA barge Wyoming where I moved up to as rigging and Iron super there chasing 50 wild riggers running around on 77,000 square acres with a lot of 100-150 ton lifts. We had suburbans with radios for all the rigging crews. Half of them were in Pinedale WY shooting pool while the other half were covering the job. Didn't happen all the time but some of this gray hair is from those rascals! Was a hell of a job at the time.
Brent Genseke As a rigging and lift planner this is impressive. No load indicators, (guessing) all math based, and the technology then is considered not applicable by today's heavy lift standards. You have to appreciate the planning, experience from the guys in the field, and the operators who ran the machines. One mistake and it all would have gone wrong (again guessing). I would love to have been around to see this.
Price Reynolds posted two photos with the comment: "I found these will looking up data for a 4600. Manitowoc 4100W Series 2 X-TENDER drawings."


Pete Abdoo posted
Tom Wojak Same type that failed and killed Ironworkers at Miller Park in Milwaukee.
Mike Mead Sr. Correct. Our job was the 2nd time out for this set up. Our test pick was 1000 ton. The inside track got light. We. Boomed out 100 ft with that load. 280 ft of bomb. Milwaukee’s accident was caused by wind though. Shouldn’t have happened!
Bill McCabe The general contractor demanded that the lift be made even though the wind exceeded the parameters for safe operation, probably not crane related.
JR Keller commented on Pete's posting
Had ltr2600 a few years back nice rigs.
[Look at the piles of counterweights on that thing.]
Aaron Payne commented on Pete's posting
1992 Zug Island Detroit MI
That’s a 450 ton Demag next to it.

Brad Martin posted three photos with the comment: "Pair of 4100 x-tenders hanging out."
Brenton Kimble What were these used for Ben?
Ben StalveyGroup Admin Oil rig platforms
Zubert Ferrell Were they made to just boom and hoist?? No.swinging??
Jack Vermeeren They have jack-up cylinders under the boom carrier to be able to turn the crawlers for swinging.


Joseph Collins posted two photos with the comment: "Manitowoc 4100W S-II Crawler and X-TENDER 420 ton with luffing jib... Sorry the old pictures are not very clear." According to the comments, it was very rare to have a luffer jib on an X-tender crane.


Scott Budden commented on Kevin Priestly's posting
[I came across more photos and wrote a separate set of notes on this construction of a coal terminal.]

They had a 4100 version of this "stinger" design was well. Ken Wright posted five pictures with the comment: "Lampson Crane that Unloaded me July 2014 New Town, ND."






Terry Love posted
4600 quick change. She was a beast!! I ran this one at BASF in Freeport, Texas back in 94-95 . 28 part block and no power down! Less than 15-20 tons was free fall with air brakes! Set all towers, reactors and other major lifts with this machine. Lots of crane mats involved working this machine! One of B&R's Manitowoc 4600 with counter weight modifications, 4600 mast and Lampson boom and crawler out front.
Ben Stalvey commented on this posting
Ben StalveyGroup Admin The large two in this shot are 4100 Xtenders.  Capacity of 420 ton with Xtender.  A Manitowoc model 4100 had a 230 ton capacity. So big upgrade
Chase Larson commented on Ben's posting
Chase Larson I was on this one in Stanley ND a few years back. Glen Norby, ran our assist rig for assembly..

The Manitowoc 7000 was another crawler-crane design that put more space between the boom and the counter weights. It is basically a ringer-crane on tracks.

Steven Morrison posted
Ben Stalvey The lower could be used as a transporter as well.
Aaron Adams How many tons is the 7000 good for at max?
Ben Stalvey 800 tons
Victor Hurst I was told that they only built like 5 of those crane?
Tom Burkart 4 or 5 were built for sure I did some of the load testing at the factory. Worked well but not easy to move around on dry ground.
Ben Stalvey commented on the above posting

Kerst De Jong commented on the above posting
Same crane with upper.
Larry Arthur Hoerres posted
Here is the big Manitowoc and now just 31000
Aaron Parker posted two photos with the comment: "Triple 888 in a ring on a barge on the Chicago river a few years back."

Ben Stalvey and others commented on Ben's posting: "Good size comparison to a 4100W crawler and a 4100 Ringer."




4  Joe Hyde Thie pic is from '03,,, I believe... Same crane and same barge are set up in a more permanent fashion these days. Company had just aquired this crane and had a brand new barge built for it... It is an impressive crane/barge...

5  Joe Hyde Current day setup,,, with a third set of rocks out back....
Ben Stalvey posted
Brandon Storie​ lol this one for you. It's rated R a naked 2250 with maxer 2000. In the test yard years back in Manitowoc WI
Ben Stalvey 120 ft of boom 500 tons on the hook
Ben Stalvey commented on his above posting
A closer look at the Maxer 2000 up close
Ben Stalvey The Maxer takes a 300 ton 2250 and bumps it up to a capacity of 500 tons
Two 16000s on barges with 60-foot rings. One is owned by the US Army Corps of Engineering and is called Hercules. The other is an ex-Lampson platform ringer and has been working at the Olmsted Dam for 10 years.

Ben Stalvey posted two photos with the comment: "USACE Crane Hercules and the Ex Lampson Platform Ringer. Look at the setup of the back mast in the rear of both. They sure don't seem to be the same machines."


comment on above posting
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Tom Burkart The red rigs back mast is completely different. It was built to be lowered for bridges on the Mississippi River. It is self erecting. I believe we only built one with that setup.

Carl Dodge comment on Ben Stalvey posting
This the same crane testing with about a 104,000 pounds at about 190ft radius off the jib.
[How do they keep the barge from listing with these two cranes?]
This is probably not a Manitowoc, but it is of a comparable design. One comment noted that the high pile of counterweights had not been moved backwards while holding the load.
One advantage of today's phones being able to take videos is that we have multiple views of this accident. This view clearly shows that the problem was not the ground giving away because it was backing up when it tilted forward. It was probably a mismanagement of the extension of the high pile of counterweights. Note the back counterweights become part of the problem as they are free to swing forward. Fortunately, it tilted slowly enough that the men were able to run out of the way of the falling load and boom.

Ben Stalvey commented on his posting
[Back when it made its cranes on the peninsula, it could easily ship its big ringer crawlers using a boat. (Probably on a boat it made because they started as a boat company and became a crane company.)]

Posted by Kevin Coffman        Kirk Sawberger Terry Hill they were rated 600 tons if I remember correctly
The ground must be very hard because they are not using any mats. Then it occurred to me this is a yard were they make oil rigs, not a general construction site. So yes, they maintain a hard ground.

It seems that can configure about any type of crane as a ringer. This one illustrates how they can pile a lot of counterweights on a ringer since they are directly supported by the ringer rail.

Jeremy Rawlings posted
[Unfortunately, none of the comments asked about the location. One reason for following crane groups is to learn about new bridges that are being built.]

Ben Stalvey posted
A neat breakdown sheet of a Manitowoc 4600 Ringer. For those who are not familiar with them.
Dennis DeBruler I'm not in the industry. I use this group to learn about cranes. I was surprised to see that a ringer has crawler tracks.
Bill Lawton Dennis a ringer is an attachment for a crawler crane.
Toby Dobson Not all ringers have crawlers under them.
Bill Lawton Your right Toby but as a general rule they use a crawler.

Ben Stalvey posted
Jim Ball TVA Watts Bar Nuclear Plant, Watts Bar, TN (near Spring City) YEARS ago!
Ben Stalvey posted
Manitowoc 6000 series 2
Robert Reeder took a crew of 6 if i remember right just to operate it.
Jim Browne An engineer from REECO told me Manitowoc demonstrated the precision load lowering features by taking a 900 ton test load and jamming an egg under it without cracking the shell.Arthur Zuehlke Yes Jim. That was a standard show in the day to demonstrate the control abilities of VICON. Many eggs didn't make it. But most did. Much depended on the operator but tis still a level of control modern cranes don't even approach. At the underground nuclear test sites in Nevada operators were not asked for inches .. they were asked to release only pounds. They did it it with VICON but there was still a rotation of operators ... once you screwed up you went to the back as I recall 
Jim Brown commented on Ben's posting
This was Manitowoc's concept for the 6000 X-Tender. Little different from the Lampson version. Prelim chart stated 750 tons at 105' radius.
Ben StalveyGroup Admin very close to it
JR Keller comented on Ben's posting
[Big Blue was a Lampson variant of the "extender" design that used some Manitowoc components.]

JR Keller comented on Ben's posting
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Bruce Steinfurth posted
4100 with extender taken in Wyoming 1985 First and only one I have ever seen.
Lampson International, LLC posted
Ojb Brown Nice. We used the 2600 trans-lift. 534’of boom. Look real close. They are still loading the counter weights.Sean Bates Yes they used a 2250 and a 999 to put it together and take it apart.Sean Bates 8 Detroit’s I believe is what powers it ..Jon Hodge Levi Sheets this site should answer all your questions and this is not the biggest one they have by far.
Near the end of this article are photos of a 16000 with a Max-er lifting 140t bridge beams.

Matthew Mackay posted
Lampson album
John Horstmann commented on Tim's posting
2250 and 16000, Balko OK. Only gave us a hour for road shutdown. Had to both across road. Couple of years back.
Tim Freitag Love the pic not very often can you get them back to back.
Mr. Crane posted two photos with the comment: "Great shot of the Mr. Crane team in front of our Manitowac 16000 MAX-ER with luffing jib at LA Stadium. The crane extended from end zone to end zone and is installing the next phase of this operation. Keep up the good work guys!"
Aaron Raby More like end zone to locker room! Hahahah 400 feet of boom now.



Bradley Mcrae posted two photos.  He added some asssembly photos as comments.
Dustin Seles 16000 with a wheeled maxer don’t see that very often.



Ben Stalvey posted
Checkout this big bad 4100 Xtender setup. Not the one to the left also.
Troy Daniels Have one in pieces in Texas. May assemble it some day.Charles Edler Yep that's the old Brown & Root yard which became the McDermott yard at the ferry landing in Port Aransas , TxMark Lacouture They had two in homa Louisiana till 2015.Bobby Daniels What's the capacity in this configuration?Ben Stalvey 422 ton Bobby Daniels
Try Daniels commented on Ben's post
Ben Stalvey posted
Manitowoc 6000 Series 2. at the Nevada Test Site anyone else with pictures???? Here is one I got. This is the only 6000W series 2 that was used at the Nevada Test Site.
Ben Stalvey Lift capacity of a regular 6000W series 2 was 600 tons. This crane above had a capacity of 950 to I believe 1000 tons.
Ben commented on his post
Ben Stalvey Here you can see the front setup of one. Where the operator who crawls the front is in.
Ben Stalvey posted four photos with the comment: "Does any member on here have some pictures of the massive yellow and black 6000W that is at the Nevada Test Site? Here are the ones I have so far."
Ben Stalvey As you can see from the brochure. This 6000W series 2 could be converted to run a Lampson Attachment.
Ben Stalvey Someone from Lampson must have more pictures of it. It was converted in Las Vegas Nevada.
[Summarizing some comments: the 6000W S2 could lift 600 tons. The attachment increased the capacity to 1000.]



Joe Yip posted three photos from a 1974 brochure.


Scott Hill commented on Joe's post
Public Service Indiana at the Gibson site for Cornell/ Leach. PSI 1975 U1-2 / Girder 3 on the way up.
Richard Harker commented on Joe's post
This was 1982.

Richard Harker commented on Joe's post
1982 Bonanza UT.

Richard Harker commented on Joe's post
Also Bonanza.
Richard Harker commented on Joe's post
[A counterweight wagon instead of a ringer so it is more mobile.]
Matthew Mackay commented on a post
Chase Larson Ronald Ritter this is a lampson transition lift using a 4600 for the counterweight carrier.
[Probably building a rotary kiln for a cement plant. It appears there is a man riding inside the load.]

Jason Stein posted
Lampson, Central Queensland 1991
Mike Powers Why is that boom behind looks huge.
Jeremy Jackson Mike Powers it appears to be a Marion dragline boom by the shape and construction.
Jamie Kelly Is that the boom that went BOOM ??????
Chuck Ratcliff Jamie Kelly if that’s not it,it was one just like it..
David Goekler Is this where they drop that big white boom while attempting to assist lift it?
Jason Stein I’ve seen that video. It was certainly a ‘Curragh’ Marion dragline, but not sure whether it was this one. When they lifted this boom (during construction), they rigged up the onboard hoist motors and it lifted its own boom. I’ve also seen smaller (8050) booms lowered using a similar process during shutdowns. The Lampson rig was used to lift the tri-structure. It was a 200 ton lift 200 feet high and it took almost a week to assemble the rig. At the time management claimed they had a theodolite trained on the ropes to ensure they didn’t deflect too much because it was quite close to its weight limit.
Jason Stein The front ‘transilift’ section was used in tandem with another one to move the dragline tub 800 tonnes and the revolving frame (1600 tonnes). The transilifts enabled multiple sections of the machine to be separately assembled concurrently and then brought together.
Ed Plaisance That's the Reason no More Extenders, Lampson Sued Mantiwoc fer Coppyin there Trans-Lift!!!
Butch Forbis That is a LTL 350 350 has #27 boom a LTL 500 has #38 boom uses the same 4100 draw works I have put up several of both configuration.
Patrick Mcfarland commented on Ed Plaisance's comment on Jason's post
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Waseem Hendricks posted 30 photos of a 16000 and 21000 doing some tandem lifts.

Two Lampson Transi-lifts building a coal terminal

Emory Baldwin posted this link to Manitowoc Crane Enthusiasts on July 6, 2019, at 8:05pm.

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