Friday, April 1, 2016

Jay Tower: CN/EJ&E vs. UP+CSX/C&EI in Chicago Heights

(CRJSatellite)
NorthAmericanInterlockings:  1992
Chicago and Northern Indiana Railroad Interlocking Towers (click the marker for the correct information)
26th Street Yard: (Satellite)

Bill Molony posted
The EJ&E - C&EI interlocking tower at Chicago Heights, Illinois - June 6, 1981.
Bill Molony posted again
Bill Molony posted
The Elgin, Joliet & Eastern - Chicago & Eastern Illinois interlocking tower at Chicago Heights, Illinois on June 6th, 1981.
Photograph by Jeff Strombeck.
From the Blackhawk collection.
Michael Steffen: Trenton Dominy Jay Tower. Worked there as a Tower Operator (Telegrapher without a key) for a period of my EJ&E career. It was Jay Tower to the C&EI/MP/UP and Chicago Heights Tower to the J.

Jon Romo posted

Satellite
Flickr has an April 22, 2007 picture posted by Sayre Kos that includes the tower in the southwest quadrant. The EJ&E east/west route is now owned by CN. The C&WI north/south route is now used by UP+CSX+INRD.

Judging from the land scars in the satellite image, there used to be connections in all of the quadrants except the northeast. But looking at a 1938 photo, the only connection was in the tower's quadrant. Buildings had to be torn down to make the southeast quadrant connection that we see today.
1938 Aerial Photo from ILHAP
David M Laz posted
[This is the same photo that is in CRJ.]

John Eagan postedHere is the interlocking board from Jay Tower in Chicago Heights, IL. It is in a private collection awaiting restoration.
Todd Lewis The interlocking from.nb up to eb ej&e, does anything use that connection? I never see any trains take that route to interchange. I used to see the J pull cars from their yard west of the diamond and go to the CHTT yard south of the diamond before but that was years ago.
John Eagan Yes, and UP used to use that connector to get to the e/b GTW at Griffith, but it's been a while since I've seen trains use that track.
Michael Steffen The two larger holes in the board at the top were for the switches that controlled the eastward and westward J train order signals. A red, yellow or green board was shown by the appropriate indicator lights.
Chris Lajcin I remember I was sent out on New Years Eve to retire all T.O. signals from Ivanhoe to Rondout before 12:01 A.M.

Donny Albertson posted
Ever take a shot and have the sun peek out at just the right time? Well this wasn't one of those times, and it's my only EJ&E shot too. A pair of SD38-2's cross the MP at Chicago Heights IL at Jay tower on 26MAR1990.
Mark Llanuza posted
Its 1988 at Chicago Hts tower.

Mark Llanuza posted again
Zaky Joseph When the tracks, locomotives and tower were all the "J".

Mark posted again
Craig Cloud All J towers pistol grip?
Matt Lasayko Craig Cloud Bart tower in Hobart IN had Armstrong levers
Brian Harp Same at Barrington
Richard Weber The tool house for M of W employees has been torn down.
Tom Legner Richard Weber we knew all they wanted was the rail, no buildings, no equipment and NO EMPLOYEES!!! Glad I’m outta there.
John DeWit Woodlock II posted
EJE 657,654 @ Jay Tower-South Chicago Heights,IL 28 MAR 05.
Dennis DeBruler I used Google Earth's timeline feature to establish that
the only connector that existed at this junction was in the southeast quadrant.


John DeWit Woodlock IIJohn and 2 others manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Windy City Rails. That is where this picture is taken. The J was running into the yard just south of the diamond about two blocks or so south,

Jim Valiquet This connection was a connection controlled by the tower and was part of the interlocking back in 1977 .The MP used to use this connection to deliver to the the "J' west yard west of the tower . there was another wye in the south west quadrant that was all hand throws that the "J" used to deliver to the MP yard . I know this because I worked Jay tower off the extra board back then we would have to call the MP yard clerk when a train was going to deliver to the MP and get a track and radio the track number the delivery would be set out on to the "J' crew.
Joe Usselman posted
Jay tower in 2010 at Chicago Heights shortly before it was torn down.
Denis Johnston commented on Joe's posting
Not my shot, I just appreciate the picture. My shop is about a mile from this location.

John DeWit Woodlock II posted
UP 1399,1429 @ Jay Tower-South Chicago Heights,IL 15 AUG 99.
Stan Sienicki posted
JAY Tower Chicago Heights, IL. April 05, 2007 this is from GTW(CN) Train 271, former EJ&E Tower protecting the EJ&E(CN) and C&EI(UP) Soon to be dismantled after I took this image.
Chip Gay One busy junction today

Dennis DeBruler commented on John's posting
 I was shocked to see that the tower was still standing in a street view. Then I remembered to check the capture date: Aug 2009. https://www.facebook.com/.../permalink/232474354026644/...
Eric Berg posted
Northbound C&EI #92 comes by Jay Tower at Chicago Heights on June 10, 1958 with C&EI #1600 and a mixed freight train. The EJ&E operator stands outside the door to inspect. (C&EIHS Photo)

Bob Bruns Flickr posted, but Facebook won't give me a link, a 1982 photo

Elgin Joliet & Eastern 663 at Chicago Heights


EJ&E 663 on an eastbound passing Jay tower on 8/14/1982. Photo by Bob Bruns


Michael Bachmann posted two images.
Michael Steffen The Heights, harmonic rock & roll.
Matt Chambers What year was this?
Michael Bachmann If I had to guess, 93, 94
Richard Weber I was on vacation and got the call. If I remember the coal pile was smoking.
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Junior Hill posted
At Chicago Heights, the J local is facing south on U.P rails and will hit the switch here to deliver interchange to the U.P at their yard here. The J's tracks cross the U.P in the distance where you see J tower. This was a daily occurrence on the J for years, but now the J is gone, the tower is gone, and the U.P's yard here is vacant, with the exception of some stored cars. Jesse Berryhill 2/8/2009
Jimi Krentkowski Great pic! Lots of questions! 1 : what kind of switch was in this photo? ( they removed it to extend the yard lead. The old switch looked like there was no room for the flange. 2: CN doesn’t seem to interchange on Villa Grove sub anymore? Anyone know why? 3: They took out the switches from the CHHT to J tracks East and west of state st in the heights, any reason? Quest 4- CSX sometimes comes off Villa Grove Sub onto J eastward, haven’t seen that move in long time. Anyone know where train originates/ terminates? Thanks !!!
Junior HillJimi Krentkowski Not sure about the switch. I think CN now does all work with the UP at West Chico. The switches at State St in the Heights were removed for the same reason, no more interchange work here, I have many shots of the J working this yard as well. Not sure about that CSX train, I remember seeing coal move off the UP east on the J back in the day. Thanks for the comment.
Denis Johnston My company is located in So. Heights, so I watch this area. Was very busy with new freight cars when Thrall Car was in full production.
[So UP, instead of CSX, dispatches this shared track between Barr Yard and Woodland Junction. There are comments on the post about UP requiring the J crew to do a lot of talking to gain access to their yard.]

Denis Johnston commented on Junior's post
Pretty much same location. Not my photo, Shooter unknown to me.

Junrior commented on his post
Same Job, different day. The J had just delivered an entire train to the UP's yard at S. Heights. The train was cut into 2 tracks to fit in the yard. The conductor can be seen getting ready to grab the marker and head back to J tracks engines light.
This must be the UP interchange yard the above comments are talking about.
Satellite

Jesse B. Hill posted
EJ&E 673 swings off home rails and onto the UP Villa Grove Sub with 25 cars to drop in 2 cuts for the UP/CHTT at S. Chicago Heights, IL,
26th St. Yard. They'll leave out of the UP yard with 20 cars to head back east with to Kirk Yard. Photo Date 2/28/2009. Fast forward to the year 2020 and we'll find this particular interchange practice extinct like dinosaurs, nothing is interchanged between the CN and the UP here today. Also, J Tower seen in the back round has been gone for many-a-year now.
Peter Smith The cars to Markham and the UP comes out of yard center in Dolton and gets them.

Jesse B. Hill posted (same comment)
Craig Cloud Jesse B. Hill did CN remove any interchange tracks by J twr?
Jesse B. Hill Craig Cloud No, there's an occasional train that runs between the 2 lines, it's not too often though.

Jimi Krentkowski posted four photos with the comment: "Looks like the Villa Grove sub is finally installing CWR. They Drop the rails about two years ago. They have 26 street yard filled with maintenance of way. The question I have is the diamonds by the demolished Jay tower. These are the second set of diamonds that have been installed. Anybody know the reason why? Also if you look closely the tracks of the UP barely touch the diamond as it crosses the J. Any information on this diamond would be helpful."
Jim Sank: TJ Cloke Not OWLS in the photos, both ways are high speed Flange Diamonds where you can do diamond speed over them, where OWLS are Limited to 10mph on one side. My place of work has the High speed where we do 40 over them on both side.
Harold J. Krewer: Jim Sank, thanks for explaining this. I knew it couldn't be an OWLS as they are not designed to handle heavy tonnage on the low-speed side and there was no way UP and CSX were going to put up with going 10 MPH over the J.
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(new window)  I don't like the video style of watching an empty scene just because you can here the horn blowing. But I did like the old green hoppers starting at 2:47. At first I assumed they were BN cars. Then I saw the red circle of the C&NW herald. The INRD reporting marks indicate they are now owned by Indiana Rail Road.


See Railroad Hub for a couple of contemporary trains going through Jay Junction.

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