Wednesday, February 28, 2018

C&WI "Trench" and links to the 15th and 16th Street Towers

There are a lot of photos of trains arriving and departing Dearborn Station north of Roosevelt Road and some photos of C&WI owner trains going through the 21st Street Crossing, but very few photos between the two. This is most of the photos I have seen of the C&WI mainline between Roosevelt Road and the 21st Street Crossing. I'll add photos as I find them, but I'll keep the photos ordered from north to south.

May 1929
[Note the sequence of bridges that were needed to take the other railroads over the C&WI.]

Arturo Gross posted, used with permisson
Louisville & Nashville E6 753 looks sharp in great evening light at Dearborn Station Chicago, Apr 1970. Presumably came in on the Danville local. Not a commonly seen view, looking southeast at the Roosevelt Road overpass. Original Kodachrome Art Gross Collection.
Bob Lalich The "new" tower is seen behind the locomotive.
Dennis DeBruler Specifically: https://www.flickr.com/.../arth.../48620086693/in/datetaken/
Bill Molony posted
Two Grand Trunk Western EMD GP9's at 14th Street on the Chicago & Western Indiana tracks with The Maple Leaf - June, 1967.
Dennis DeBruler There is a tower peaking above the train near its end. I need to study some maps to see if that is the C&WI 15th Street Tower. I've seen very few photos of it.
Bob Lalich Yes, that is 15th St tower near the right edge of the photo. It was closed by this time. I'll double check but I believe 15th St was remotely controlled from the "new" Roosevelt Road tower when it was built in 1964.
Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's posting
Stan Stanovich note how the tower is at an angle so that it is tangent with the C&WI tracks. The popular 16th Street Tower is a block west and a block south of the one in this photo. [1964 Dearborn Approach or .pdf]

Bill Molony posted
On the left is Santa Fe EMD F7A #329, at 18th Street in Chicago, heading towards Dearborn Station to tie onto Santa Fe train #23, the westbound Grand Canyon.
On the right is Erie-Lackawanna EMD E8A's #829 and #818 leading E-L train #6, the eastbound Lake Cities away from Dearborn Station on August 15, 1967 on its 21-hour trip to Hoboken, New Jersey.
I don't think this meet is south of 18th Street because 18th Street went over the C&WI tracks and because the IC and Chicago & Alton tracks were between the Santa Fe and C&WI tracks down at 18th Street.
Excerpt from C&EI1964ChicagoDearborn-300lg.pdf file from Chicagoland Railfan Group
Instead, I think it is looking south from the red dot I put on 14th Street.


Excerpt from C&EI1964ChicagoDearborn-300lg.pdf file from Chicagoland Railfan Group

Mike Breski posted
Santa Fe F7A 43 with three B units leads on train 16, the Texas Chief, into Chicago on March 23, 1969. David Leonard was on hand for the morning arrival and snapped this transparency. Delivered in 1948 as 43L, the unit was rebuilt as CF7 2634. Richard Leonard's Rail Archive.
Chris Koehler Santa Fe...always famous for putting switches in curves.
Bob Lalich The tracks here are C&WI. EB mainline trains left ATSF rails at 21st St. There was a connection to the ATSF coach yard at 15th St interlocking in the distance.

Dennis DeBruler shared
Conrad Van Buren Cool picture, Texas Chief headed to Dearborn station.
Dennis DeBruler Thanks for mentioning that the train is headed to Dearborn. In hindsight, I should have mentioned that as the share's comment.. If you click the photo, you get the comments on the photo. As they indicate, this view is looking south from 14th Street.
Conrad Van Buren Thanks Dennis, I have never been to Chicago but I have studied the track layout for the many railroad stations in the area. Each railroad had a station for it's operations, that is like each airline having it's own airport today. I wonder how much acreage was involved. At one time I considered building a model of Dearborn and the 18th street maintenance yard. That would have been fun and it would have been huge.
Dennis DeBruler Conrad Van Buren Except for the C&NW station, each station served a few railroads. Dearborn served six railroads. But most railroads had their own freight house. In fact, many railroads had an inbound and an outbound freight house. This is what I have learned about the Chicago stations:
http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/.../chicago...
and Dearborn in particular:
http://towns-and-nature.blogspot.com/.../chicago-il-depot...



Conrad Van Buren https://www.google.com/search...
Dennis DeBruler Of the six railroads using the station, Santa Fe is obviously the most popular with railfans.

Bob Lalich Flickr late 50s Photo

15th st Monon on C&WI


Monon passenger train, possibly The Tippecanoe, has just departed Dearborn Station on a sunny morning and is about to duck under Clark St and the NYC-CRIP joint line, c. late 50s. I believe the photographer was Jack Bailey, whose photos were marketed under the name of Ashland Car Works.
[I assume this photo was taken from the 15th Street Tower.]



John Sniffen posted
On Sept. 2, 1949, photographer Robert L. Pendleton leaned out the vestibule door of his Pullman and took this photo of the Chief arriving in Chicago, powered by the railroad’s only passenger FM set. UPDATE—the location is east of where the Santa Fe crossed the Pennsylvania main. I encourage looking at the original through this link to the collection at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Library. You can see a lot of detail when you enlarge their photo.
https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/…/agsnorth/id/4343/size/full
Bob Lalich This location is 15th St interlocking on the C&WI, just east of Clark St. There is a grade crossing with 14th St near the signal bridge in the background.
Bill Raia Flickr 1948 Photo, looking north from 15th Street Tower at an outbound Santa Fe train

Mike Breski posted
Chicago & Eastern Illinois FP7 #1608 departs Chicago with train #93, the combined southbound "Georgian"/"Hummingbird," circa 1966.
Bob Lalich This train is inbound at 15th St tower.
[Note the RI+NYC overpass in the left background.]

C&WI 15th Street Tower notes have several photos in this area.


Andrew Brown posted
Outbound commuter approaching 16th St. Sept. '73.
[The bridges on the right carried the Rock Island+NYC route over the C&WI route. It appears the Rock Island had a coach yard down here next to the C&WI embankment wall. This photo also provides a nice view of the Erie Freight House]

BRHS posted
Chicago & Western Indiana Railroad Alco RS-1 #254 at 16th Street.

Dennis DeBruler commented on a BRHS post
 I put a red line on this map to indicate where the visible part of the RI train is. But now I'm left with the question of why would a RI train be coming off the St. Charles Air Line?
Tim Valiquet In that area a long time ago there was a turntable to turn commuter engines . There was a wye from the Rock to the ST.CAL in the NW quadrant of the interlocking....

Dennis DeBruler commented on Tim's comment on a BRHS post
Now that I know to look for a turntable, it is easy to find it in this 1938 aerial photo. In fact, the circle in the above diagram would be this turntable.

Bill Molony posted
Erie Lackawanna Railroad EMD E8A #828, leading EL train #2, the eastbound Phoebe Snow, and passing under the New York Central - Rock Island mainline at 16th Street on the Chicago & Western Indiana Railroad's tracks - August 26, 1963.

Bill Molony posted
Monon Railroad Alco Century 420 #501 at Chicago in June 1967.
Bob Lalich Passing C&WI's 16th St Tower.
Bill Molony posted again
Monon Railroad Alco C-420 #501 with The Thoroughbred on the south side of Chicago in June of 1967.
The Monon discontinued all passenger service on September 30, 1967.
David Daruszka commented on Bill's posting
Same location?
Bob Lalich Yes David Daruszka. You can see 15th St tower past the bridges in the Barriger photo.
Dennis Debruler commented on Bill's posting
Bob Lalich, This is a fascinating "homework problem." I believe the first bridge is the NYC/St. Charles Airline connectors. The next bridge would be the St. Charles Airline itself. Then we see the piers for the Rock Island and NYC bridges. But is it the green or the blue building that is 15th Street Tower?
Bob Lalich 15th St tower is in the blue box
1964 or .pdf

Stuart Pearson posted
Monon's Hoosier not to far out of Dearborn Station. A Rail Photo Service Photo.
Bob Lalich: The train is in C&WI's 16th St interlocking plant. It has just passed under the St Charles Airline and connection to the joint NYC-Rock Island.
[Note that the train skunks the tower.]


C&WI 16th Street Tower notes have several photos in this area.


Bill Molony posted
Another beautiful color Wabash photograph from our collection - enjoy!
Stan Stanovich ...on the approach Richard Fiedler!...I believe from the 18th street overpass!!!
Bob Lalich Correct Stan Stanovich. 16th St Tower is just out of view behind the train on the right.
Jim Holmes Yes. between 16th st and 18th st
lbert J Reinschmidt Given the sun it's the departing Banner Blue.
Randy Rippy Wearing the simplified paint scheme with an E7 on the point. Guessing 1962?
[Note the B&OCT bridge is down. The two tracks in the right foreground are ICwest. You can see the embankment wall go up from here.]

Bill Molony posted
Erie Lackawanna EMD E8A's #820 and #810, departing from Chicago with EL train #6, the Lake Cities, in March of 1966.
Dennis DeBruler This photographer caught the GM&O+IC embankment on the right side.

Mark Hinsdale was standing a little more to the east on 18th Street when he took his photo. Note how the C&WI tracks have become Ping Tom Memorial Park. The tracks were filled in so th
at the park's grade slopes up to the CN/IC grade.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/chicagolandrailfan/permalink/1337349356304308/

David Daruszka adjusted the exposure of Bill's photo


1964, Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's post

Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's post

Dennis DeBruler commented on Bill's post

Arturo Gross Flickr 1998 Photo of a comparable view off of 18th Street. The tracks are gone, but the fill along side the IC embankment has not been done. And it is a demonstration of how some trees can grow almost like weeds.

A recent view of the scene after the track area has been filled in to match the embankment height of the CN/ICwest to create Ping Tom Memorial Park.
Mark Hinsdale posted
Cold, but Clear...
Chicago is getting ready for tomorrow's St. Patricks Day parade and all the celebrations that go with it. The temperature is staying in the mid to high 20's but there is not a cloud in the sky. A midday appearance of CN Train #337 passing under 18th Street made for a worthy photographic subject as I continued to show my weekend guests around town a
little bit.

Bill Molony posted
Chicago & Eastern Illinois passenger train approaching Dearborn Station - undated.
Richard Fiedler Wabash sleeper.
Bob Lalich Crossing over from one of the freight tracks to the main tracks. Possibly there was work on one of the diamonds at 21st St. That seems to have been a constant effort back then. Note the GT engines approaching in the background. Very cool photo!

John Smatlak shared his Flickr link in Chicago Area Railroad Historians
The abandoned C&WI tower next to the 16th St. interlocking, Summer of 1986. This tower was situated on the lead to the old Dearborn Station.


Rob Conway posted
A meet on the ICG at 16th Street in Chicago in the summer of 1981. The shot was copped from the C&WI tower which is long gone. In fact, this entire scene is pretty much unrecognizable today.
[Looking south from the tower.]Jim French Surely you had permission and were wearing all required PPE?!?!?!
Rob Conway Jim French Funny that you should mention that. Shortly after this shot was copped, two C&WI cops showed up. They did a great job of sneaking up on me and I never saw them coming. They had to have parked a good distence away and walked in.The tower was completely trashed and had every piece of glass broken out. I'm sure there were people who used it as a residence / shooting gallery. It took a long time to convince them that I wasn't interested in further vandalism. The idea of someone being a railfan completely eluded them.
Jim French Rob Conway, great story. It’s funny how many cinder-D’s really didn’t understand the railfan concept back then, but they were also more forgiving once they realised you weren’t a thief or vandal. The good old days of grab and go photography in terminals. This whole ‘with permission and PPE’ thing with current day railfan postings is a complete laugh. In today’s policy driven, litigation averse environment, there are very few people who have the actual authority to give a non-employee permission to be on a companies private property - especially in transportation and heavy industry. At my company, I’m the senior officer with oversight for that across the corporation. I’d guess 90%+ of those who post that kind of statement actually don’t have permission from an an appropriate and authorised officer of the company. So the technical reality is, they’d still be trespassing.

Mike Breski posted
C&EI’s Meadowlark arrives Chicago Chicago & Eastern Illinois’ Meadowlark is a couple of minutes away from Dearborn Station, Chicago, in 1950. Bringing up the rear is C&EI office car Danville. Wallace W. Abbey photo
Dennis DeBruler The train has just gone through the 21st Street Crossing. So it really is close to Dearborn Station. The truss spans were the 18th Street Viaduct. The white building on the left still stands because it was a cold storage building. That means the walls are so thick that the developer can't afford to tear it down. The two straight mainlines are the tracks shared by IC, GM&O, and Santa Fe through the crossing. (Although GM&O's use of these tracks became obsolete when they switched from the IC Station to Union Station.) The ladder of tracks leaving the mainline goes to Santa Fe's yard and their Dearborn access that joins the C&WI at 15th Street. This is the first photo I've seen that shows the complexity of Santa Fe's trackwork here.

CN still uses the two mainline tracks, but they are now in the shadow of the Orange Line.
https://www.google.com/.../@41.8555542,-87.../data=!3m1!1e3


Mike Breski posted again







Dave Durham posted eight photos with the comment: "Track work to elevate the lines of the A.T.&S.F. and C.&W.I in the 14th/15th/16th St.and Clark area; Please adjust your travel routes and leave10-15 minutes earlier to avoid delays."
Bob Lalich Dave Durham - which site allows a free download? I have searched a few times and can only find sites that require membership.
Dave Durham Bob Lalich I have been utilizing Hathitrust
Bob Lalich Have you downloaded the entire document, or just a few pages at a time?
Dave Durham Photos, and pages...are you not able to? Are you viewing on a home computer or mobile device?
Jim Holmes Guys, I had to search for over an hour to get those documents because Haithtrust requires membership in some university to get full copies. I searched for a couple of the headings and found a link. the map above originally came from and Engineering News publ and re-referenced in the 1898 issue of Dave's publication, not the 1905. I can provide the two pdf's via email if so desired.
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Photos of the C&WI before the Rock Island, NYC, and IC were elevated and the South Branch was straightened are even more rare.

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  2. Soon you'll be able to drive through the trench. Later this year the city will be constructing a new roadway connecting Wells in the South Loop with Wentworth in Chinatown. They plan to use the old C&WI trench to get under the CN—even though it requires a half-block jog and is angled the wrong way.

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