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Tuesday, April 28, 2020

1879 Royal Gorge Express/D&RGW Hanging Bridge over Arkansas River in Royal Gorge

(Bridge Hunter; Satellite)

Photo from LC-DIG-det-4a09172 via Bridge Hunter

I put "?" for the current owner because it is owned by UP, but, because it is part of the Tennessee Pass route, I believe it is out of service. I have read that another company wants to buy it, but UP won't sell. Some sources show the owner as Rio Grande Southern Railway. I believe they were a subsididary of D&RGW.
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Ken Swiderski PMed me the comment:
Ownership of the Tennessee Pass line at the Hanging Bridge (MP 166.23) is convoluted. On July 1 1998, UP sold the portion of the line between MP 160.15 and MP 171.9 to three entities, each having fingers in each others' pies:- Rock & Rail Railroad (reporting marks RRRR, owner of record per FRA and responsible for freight operations and possibly maintenance);- Cañon City and Royal Gorge Railroad (CCRG, responsible for dispatching the line)- Royal Gorge Express (RGX, the tourist passenger operation).The last I heard (during 2011) RRRR ran one job per day from Cañon City to Pueblo and back to interchange freight with UP and BNSF. There is still a quarry in Parkdale but I'm not sure how much business they generate these days.
UP still owns the rest of the line, but most is not in service. I believe no rail has been removed even after over twenty years. The line has been in the news lately, though: www.vaildaily.com/news/feds-asked-to-direct-union-pacific-to-sell-tennessee-pass-line-to-agriculture-company/ . STB has declined. (I believe the "Towner line" mentioned in the article is an abandoned MP line east of Pueblo.)
Main track authority, edited from UP Denver Area Timetable No. 5 in effect 0900C September 28, 2015: Tennessee Pass Subdivision RG118 (MP 118.2, Pueblo Junction) to RG122 (MP 121.5): Rule 6.28 (Movement on Other than Main Track) RG122 (MP 121.5) to MP 159.2: CTC MP 159.2 to MP 171.9: Movement governed by joint timetable of CCRG and Rock and Rail RR. MP 171.9 to MP 335: Rule 6.28 (Movement on Other than Main Track); Main track not in service. Glenwood Springs Subdivision Eagle Valley Industrial Lead Extends 6.9 miles from Dotsero, MP 341.9 to MP 335.0.
safe_image for Trains could return to Colorado’s Tennessee Pass, rumble through Leadville under pair of proposals[This article indicates that Royal Gorge Express, the passenger operation, is the owner. And that neither the Utah oil interests (Colorado Pacific) or the southeastern Colorado wheat interests (KCVN) have talked to them. It would cost $278 million to rehabilitate the 208 miles of track that has not been used since 1997. The locals around Leadville would rather have a trail. Another proposed use for the route is a commuter service so that the workers in the expensive ski resorts in the Eagle River Valley could live in the more affordable Upper Arkansas River Valley. Colorado State owns the Moffat Tunnel and UP's lease to use it expires 2025.]

May 18, 2023: railfan
Colorado Pacific Gives Up Bid for Tennessee Pass
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Santa Fe built the railroad through the gorge while Santa Fe and D&RGW fought for the rights to the gorge. When D&RGW won, they pad Santa Fe $1.4m for what they had built. [CanonCityDailyRecord]

Photo via Bridge Hunter
Taken 1881-1890
William Henry Jackson & Co./Library and Archives Canada/C-002288

Mark Mcgowan posted
Theodore Roosevelt's President's Special on D&RGW's Hanging Bridge over the Arkansas River in Colorado's Royal Gorge. 1903.
(George L. Beam photo)
Roy Reynolds: Still has the third rail.

Kevin Robbins posted three photos with the comment:
SOX STORIES
“Bridge Over Troubled Waters”
White Sox History has shown these photos before but never really went in to detail before today.
It was on February 27, 1910 while the Sox team train was crossing the country from Chicago to their spring home in San Francisco when they decided it was time to stretch their legs, and would ask that the train pause for some photo opportunities on the Royal Gorge Hanging Bridge that spanned the Arkansas River in Colorado. The bridge, which had been completed in 1897 was, for the time, considered a “feat of structural engineering”.
Among those posing for photos of the team were future Hall of Fame pitcher Ed Walsh and Sox owner, Charles Comiskey, who were accompanied by many family members. The hanging bridge was no stranger to photo ops, as many Americans wanted to be a part of history. The bridge was built through a very narrow thirty foot gap over the canyon that could not be made wider because of the precarious way the rock formations were positioned, preventing any blasting to widen it without the risk of landslides.
In what would become an all out fight for the rights to that parcel of land, the Denver Rio Grande Western Railroad and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railroad Companies would engage in sabotaging one another as they raced to get their tracks set down to this very spot.
Both rail companies had to fight through the Federal Court System wile putting “hired guns” in place to shoot anyone invading their territories. It was a two year war that finally came to an end with a treaty that would allow both rail companies to travel the route that they would both finally come together to complete.
The White Sox were one of the most famously documented visitors to the site with many pictures taken in 1910, but were overshadowed by the most famous of all visitors in 1905, the President of the United States, Teddy Roosevelt.
Although it may have been a long downward plunge in to the ice cold Arkansas River, the White Sox players bravely posed precariously close to the drop. When the train came to the stop, the entire team and family members disembarked over the river and slowly made their way to the front of the train so they could have their picture taken with the majesty of the coal and wood burning locomotive as their backdrop.
They would all then make their way back to board the train over the treacherous tracks, knowing well that at any time, one false move and they could take their last step ever, falling in to the river below.
The train would then proceed to move over the 175 foot span once everyone was safely back on board, only to stop once again so that the team could once again risk their lives to disembark at the back of the train to get the caboose as their background.
The view of the canyon was awe inspiring with its long drop in to the ravine and the wall of rock rising 2,600 feet above the tracks. Again, many tourists took advantage of this historic site for photographs, but when it came to baseball teams, the White Sox were the first and the only to document their visit.
⚾️ Photo #1 Royal Gorge Hanging Bridge over the Arkansas River in Colorado was completed in 1897, and was called a feat of structural engineering.
⚾️ Photo #2 White Sox team and family members pose at the rear of the train
⚾️ Photo #3 Posing in front of the train while enroute to spring training in 1910. Photos credit of the Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum
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The White Sox are one of three significant users mentioned in RoyalGorge.

Rick Burnett posted
956 feet down to the tracks on the Arkansas River at the Royal Gorge.
Steve Drassler DRGW back in the day. Two railroads competed for rights through the canyon. There are accounts of shots being fired to stop construction. Back in the day.
Al Snyder I read about similar issues when the WM and B&O were fighting over the best route along the Potomac River. WM had to actually post guards because they would lay track during the day, and B&O would tear it up overnight!

Thomas Wentzel posted
https://www.raftecho.com/rafting-packages/raft-n-rail/

American-Rails.com posted
A Rio Grande 4-8-4 (M-68) has the first section of the heavyweight, westbound "Royal Gorge" (Denver - Pueblo - Ogden), stopped at the famous Hanging Bridge along the Arkansas River on June 1, 1947. Otto Roach photo.

Trains Magazine posted
The appeal of the D&RGW's famous Hanging Bridge at the bottom of the Royal Gorge is timeless, as Mileposts blogger Kevin Keefe discovered on a recent visit:
[A comment points out the three rails. Back then it could handle the original narrow gauge and standard gauge.]

Nicholas Valdez commented on Trains' post, cropped
[It appears they cut off part of the "wall" and added fill to the river. But I've seen a 2018 photo that still has the bridge.]

Chris Ness posted
Suspended roadbed on the Royal Gorge line along the Arkansas River.  10/08
Brady Halligan: An enormous amount of railroad history here. And while the line is now out of service for revenue traffic, this portion is open as a tourist railroad line.
Lucas Barnlund: Where exactly is this?

Dennis DeBruler commented on Lucas' comment
Just enough light made it down into the canyon that we cans see part of it.
38°27'45.9"N 105°19'40.0"W

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"Originally conceived out of the 1870s silver rush in Colorado, the Royal Gorge Route Railroad was blown out of solid granite!...At some points in the canyon, the walls are as high as 2600 feet and as narrow as 30 feet at the bottom!"
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Originally conceived out of the 1870s silver rush in Colorado, the Royal Gorge Route Railroad was blown out of solid granite!


Sunday, September 16, 2018

Amtrak/Pennsy Passenger (Coach) Yard

(Satellite, it has been rebuilt as Amtrak's yard)

My photos of this yard

Notes of other railroad resources nearby are:

Bill Molony posted
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio train #2, The Abraham Lincoln, easing past the Pennsylvania Railroad's coach yard as it approaches Chicago Union Station - circa 1963.
An E7A-F3A-E7A combination powered the all-lightweight, 16-car consist on that day.
On the left is the PRR's all-private room Broadway Limited, waiting for its 5:00 PM overnight run to New York City.
Roger Dean Elliott 103-A on point.
[The photo is old enough that the B&OCT bridge is in the down position.]

A Roger Puta photo posted by Marty Bernard
The consensus of the comments is that this photo was taken from Roosevelt Road bridge.

Bill Molony posted
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio E7A #100 and E8Am #100-A, arriving at Chicago Union Station with a northbound passenger train - 1967.
Bill Molony posted
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio EMD E7A #100, leading a GM&O passenger train past the PRR's passenger train service tracks in Chicago - 1967.
Bill Molony also posted to the GM&O group and got more comments
Craig Willett With the equipment for the Broadway Limited in the background featuring an SP Pullman!

Glen Miller posted
Chicago 1972 (Sears and Aon Under Construction). The tallest and (then) second tallest buildings in Chicago. Originally the Standard Oil Building and later the Amoco Building, the Aon Center – at 83 floors – is now Chicago’s fourth tallest building. Originally clad in thin slabs of gleaming white Carrara marble that eventually buckled and cracked, the building was re-clad in granite in the early 1990s.
Architecture firm Solomon Cordwell Buenz (SCB) has proposed an all glass elevator shaft to rise up the exterior of the northwest corner of the Aon Centre. A pair of double-deck panoramic elevators will increase elevator capacity to the building while providing unobstructed views for riders. At a speed of approximately 5.7m (19ft) per second, visitors are expected to scale to the top of the skyscraper in just under 60 seconds
Paul Webb shared
Dennis DeBruler shared
This must have been taken from the B&OCT viadcut looking North. It is before Amtrak so we see intercity cars in the BN/CB&Q yard on the left and in the PC/Pennsy yard on the right. Of course, the BN yard is now BNSF, and the PC yard is now Amtrak. The viaduct in the background would be Roosevelt Road.

While looking for a more formal yard name, I came across the following interesting tidbit of passenger coach service in Chicago.

Public Health Reports

John Morris posted
This photo taken from the south side of the Roosevelt Road bridge captures a PennCentral mail and express train backing in at the end of its run. Although the merger has already taken place, this train is still very much a Pennsylvania Railroad style of operation of prior years. The red and white PC logo shown here was short lived and became all white. For me, the PennCentral was an unloved railroad and I prefer to focus my memories on the standalone New York Central, New Haven, and Pennsylvania Railroad years. In just two years the company was bankrupt - an era for everything in this photo was coming to a rapid close.
Gary Klockenga Southern and N&W head end cars in the background.
Dwayne Weber Most of the boxcars appear to be REA.
[Some comments about the what caused the PC bankruptcy. Someone commented that the Pennsy didn't back in at Union Station. John corrected him by explaining that this train is backing headend cars into the a yard so that switchers can deliver the LCL cars to the freight house, REA cars to REA [support buildings], RPO to the post office, etc. But the incorrect comment was deleted so I can't quote John's reply.]

One of six Rick Burn photos posted by Marty Bernard. Pennsy's yard is in the left background, CB&Q's commuter storage is on the right.

Wayne O'Shell commented on Joe's share
Chicago....from high above the city.........
[After the Pennsy yard has been rebuilt for Amtrak service.]

Bill Molony posted
Pennsylvania Railroad class S2 6-8-6 steam turbine #6200 arriving in Chicago with the Manhattan Limited on the afternoon of June 13, 1947.

William A. Shaffer posted

William A. Shbaffer posted
Chicago Yard (1978)
(Photo by William A. Shaffer)
Jack Roberson You were level with the elevated steam pipes from the power plant. Maybe an air supply line also. Thanks for posting.
Dennis DeBruler The B&OCT Bridge was still down.

Mark Hinsdale shared four photos with the comment:
December, 1998
Some views of Amtrak's Chicago Maintenance Facility as seen from the 18th Street Bridge in late December, 1998. Some of those very same suspects (in different dress) can still be seen hanging out here in 2017...
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Mark Hinsdale posted two photos with the comment:
"Then & Now... The View From 18th Street"
Nothing is as constant as change.  Here are two images taken from Chicago's 18th Street Bridge, illustrating the Amtrak servicing facilities as they appeared in June, 1977, and again, 43 years later, on September 11, 2020.  There have been numerous track layout  modifications, new service and wash buildings built, and a whole host of other changes to the northward view here in the four and a half decades separating these views, not to mention the many additions and subtractions to Chicago's dynamic skyline.  I did my best to try and line up two images that were taken from as similar a vantage point as I could find in my files, using the Sears Tower on the left and the Continental Paper Grading Company (recently closed) on the right, as my guideposts. Hopefully it offers an interesting perspective from which to review and compare the two.  In the 1977 image  Illinois Central Gulf's ex Gulf, Mobile & Ohio outbound "Plug" to Joliet is passing the former Pennsylvania Railroad service facility, brimming with a variety of motive power common to the era.  Image 2 shows Amtrak Train #352 for Detroit and Pontiac, following the closest alignment to the first photo I could come up with.  June, 1977 and September, 2020 photos by Mark Hinsdale.
Walter E Pfefferle: What happened to the other tall buildings did they get tore down?
Mark Hinsdale: Walter E Pfefferle, mostly additions, not many subtractions. The brick and concrete building in the center of the 1977 view was PRR’s engine house, which still stands, if you look closely in the 2020 image it has been added on to and has been changed in appearance but still serves today. Most everything else that you see today has been erected since the 77 view.
Richard Koenig: Wow, fabulous capture of history here, really great: the Plug with its F3, the Amtrak SW1, an E, SDP40Fs, and a P30CH. And then all the buildings in the background, wonderful.
Rick La Fever: Look at difference in the atmosphere? 1977 Smoggy? 2020 Almost Clear?
Mark Hinsdale shared
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Nick Ulivieri Photography posted
Photogenic storms have been far and few between this year, but on Saturday, I went out to the 18th Street bridge in hopes of catching a shelf cloud - if the storm produced one. The radar looked pretty good, but you never really know what the storm front will look like until it arrives. And if you're not already in position to photograph a shelf, by the time you see one, it's probably too late to get out and snag a good photo.
Thankfully, the storm produced some decent structure - just as a BNSF train was rolling by - and I was able to capture the scene and scurry back to the car before the downpour started.
J.B. Rail Photog shared
[And the St. Charles Air Line is still out of service west of where CN/IC branches off. I've read that the this bridge is OK, but they are replacing an overpass east of it.]

One of the photos posted by Coal & Steel Railroad Photography

Thomas Manz posted
[Taken from the top of a tower of the South Branch Bridge.]

Timothy Leppert commented on a post
Union Station in Chicago had many sub-basements for systems. One Huge room had extremely old AC and DC switching for Electrical Power (see photo). But the coolest thing was 2 Mounted Steam engines (not Locomotives) that used steam from Edison's Power House (still standing) and turned DC generators for Depot Lights. PLUS, it powered a cooling system where cool air from the underground railroad (Blues Brothers) was pumped into the great hall for cooling. The City collected a fee for this.
William A. Shaffer posted
A Plethora of Equipment - Chicago Yard (November, 1978)
(Photo by William A. Shaffer)
[Note the housing projects in the background.]

Robert Learmont posted
The old and new, sharing the house on 9 and 10 track at Amtrak's 16th Street Diesel Shop. 10-track is normally dedicated to the newer Siemens Charger locomotives and the small team of Machinists, Electrcians, and Pipefitter that are dedicated to maintaining them. It also has a specially rigged drop table for changing wheel sets on the Charger locomotives, which are very dissimilar underneath to the ubiquitous P42s, since they have separate motors and wheelsets rather than traction motor combos. Chicago, IL 2-24-2021.
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Track Nightmare shows more photos of the complex track work that is between Roosevelt and Polk.

Waldolf Urinse shared seven of the more interesting photos that he added March 3, 2018. The Flickr Album of the Amtrak Yard to which he added those photos.

Front-End Friday

Tom Rutkowski posted 26 photos from inside the yard.

Bruce Blackadar posted a few 1974 photos north and south of Roosevelt Road. Taylor Street still existed and the B&OCT Bridge is down.



Monday, March 12, 2018

UP/C&NW KK Madison Bridge over Kinnickinnic River in Milwaukee, WI

(Bridge Hunter, Historic Bridges3D SatellitePhoto from Don's Depot)

See also Northern KK Bridge.

It wasn't until I looked at Don's photo that I realized that this was a double-lattice truss. Jeff's photos below show that it still is a double-lattice.
Western Society of Engineers, p135

Western Society of Engineers, p139

Jeff Wojciechowski posted three photos with the comment: "Swing bridge on the former C&NW and now UP passenger main over the Kinnikinic River in Milwaukee.  4/7/2021"
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One of three photos posted by Marty Bernard of Rick Burn's photos.
CNW Menomonee [Kinnickinnic] River Bridge in Milwaukee, July 1960. Rick Burn photo.
Arturo Juarez: Looking southwest from the Nidera (Continental) Grain elevator-The Atlas building is where Skipper Bud's Marina is today.
 
Matthew James commented on a post
Here is the UP/exCNW swing bridge in Milwaukee that crosses over the KK river. Stays open unless needed for the local to cross, which does so every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

This bridge is in the left background of a photo of the GTW railyard.
One of four photos posted by Joe McCarron
My collection. GTW. MIlwaukee, WI - 1940's
[Note this bridge in the background between the two boats and above the cars.]
Gary Lenz posted
KK Madison Swing Bridge - Kinnickinnic River . Far right side - First Street Bridge. Milwaukee , Wisconsin . Early 1980's.
Stephen Rugolo The most dangerous contraption you ever wanted to be on. I wrote a letter to the divisional manager complaining of the dangerous situation here and got changes made. You can't tout “Safety First” and have this death trap facing you at midnight.
Bart Culbertson I recall that the bridge house was damaged after a fire of unknown cause burned all the bridge controls in the late 80s. As a result the bridge was taken out of service. The bridge was then removed and traffic was operated over the old Milwaukee line.
[The First Street Bridge does not make sense for the KK Madison Bridge. But the bridge is certainly not the Milwaukee Swing Bridge either. So I don't know if this photo belongs in these notes or not.]
Gary Lenz posted
Kinnickinnic Wisconsin Swing Bridge Looking South . Milwaukee , Wisconsin. Photo - Early 1980's.
Alex Sansone From greenfield ave.
Gary Lenz Yes but closer to the Bridge.
Alex Sansone Gary Lenz absolutely. Only one track now.
Stephen Rugolo I believe it’s the only operational C&NW bridge in the city now.

Jeff Wojciechowski posted
Former C&NW bridge over the Kinnickinnic River in Milwaukee, WI.

Brian Dessereau posted two photos with the comment: "A few shots of the KK Madison Bridge in Milwaukee that was taken down in January 1996."
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Bing Owens posted nine images with the comment: "Love this old swing bridge in Milwaukee, WI...Over the Kinnickinnic river...seemed like there were two rail lines here, one is partially removed...great old bridge."
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Greg Mross posted
The crew of the Medusa Challenger checks clearances as they navigate the C&NW KK River bridge in Milwaukee, WI in December of 1994. The C&NW bridge once carried numerous passenger trains daily (including the famed "400") on their way to the Milwaukee depot, but only sees a local freight these days. My photo.
Cheryl Nenn: Greg Mross There are still closures-mostly for grain. The coal piles are long gone. That site is now home to Komatsu HQ and a new manufacturing facility. Kinder still active on Jones Island.
John Melcher: Cheryl Nenn Yeah when WEPCO switched to Nat. Gas that really hit us hard! Milwaukee Bulk supplied that plant with 2 barges day. 5000 tons per barge. Winter we tried for 3 a day. The Medical Grounds power plant was supplied by us too. That was by semi. And that coal was corse - lump coal. WEPCO would receive all " fines" in the barges . We'd screen the coal 12hrs a day 6 days a week. 8hrs by the coal yards crew, then a few of us from the island would go over there and screen coal for 4hrs every day . After loading salt trucks all day long. OT was nice. Missed all that OT when it went away. Anyways sorry for rambling on.
Greg Mross: John Melcher It was a sad day for all the boat watchers as well who liked to take pics of the Lakers that would unload there.
Clint Gustafson: She would tie up downtown Chicago traffic when delivering newspaper to the Sun Times and then going to the turning basin for the trip out to the lake.
Dennis DeBruler: Clint Gustafson This boat carried cement someplace up the North Branch of the Chicago River. My guess is that it went to Prairie Material - Yard 32,
https://goo.gl/maps/ArurtEMmVdr92yQc6

Robert Strauss posted
On board the ferry Madison headed to the GT slip in Milwaukee, going thru the CNW swing bridge with the former Coast Guard building visible to the left 1971. SS City of Milwaukee Archives