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Friday, October 21, 2022

1918,1978-2008 Replaced/IN-327 Bridge over NS/NYC in Corunna, IN and AFT Mural

1918: (Bridge Hunter; Historic Bridges)
2008: (Satellite)

AFT = American Freedom Train

InDOT via HistoricBridges

This bridge has been on my mind since I started writing this blog.  Seeing it depicted in this mural motivated me to pursue it.
1 of 10 photos posted by Visit DeKalb County
[The artist is standing in front of his mural of the American Freedom Train.]
It was a windy and chilly day last Saturday, but everyone involved with the Corunna Volunteer Fire Department Mural all gathered to admire the finished art piece off Highway 6 in Corunna, Indiana. Ricco Diamante, the mural artist, met with everyone to discuss the finished piece, the process and how much thermal underwear it took when being on top of a scissor lift off the highway at night. Answer: a lot!
Finished Mural on 10-11-2022 on
Corunna Volunteer Fire Department
1111 US-6, Corunna, IN 46730
"This mural is a tribute to the town’s celebration of USA’s 200th anniversary, which took place in 1976. At that time the Freedom Train passed through the center of town. The Corunna bridge was later uniquely painted with a patriotic red, white, and blue theme. Corunna’s history is centered around the Norfolk and Southern rail line and the historic highway U.S. 6, once known as the longest highway in the country.
Railroads and highways connect communities both economically and culturally. Bridges in art symbolizes union, progress, connections, and stability. I decided to paint the Freedom train in this Corunna Bridge Mural because more than 7 million Americans visited the train during its 48 state tour, while millions more stood trackside to see it go by. The train itself consisted of 10 display cars. They carried more than 500 treasures of Americana, including George Washington's copy of the Constitution, the original Louisiana Purchase, Judy Garland's dress from The Wizard of Oz, Joe Frazier's boxing trunks, Martin Luther King Jr.'s pulpit and robes, replicas of Jesse Owens' four Olympic gold medals, a pair of Wilt Chamberlain's basketball shoes, and a rock from the Moon.
Thank you to the Corunna mural committee. The Corunna Town Board, Corunna Fire Department, The Dekalb County Visitors Bureau. MacAllister Rentals, and Sherwin-Williams Paint." - Ricco Diamante
FWRHS shared
Cody Lewis Wittenmyer V: It is absolutely beautiful! That being said, the painters used the wrong American Freedom Train locomotive that went through the area. The one that went through was Reading Railroad 2101, a 4-8-4 T1 type. It now resides at the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Museum in Baltimore, Maryland.

It would be hard for westbound travellers on US-6 to miss the mural.
Street View

When I was a kid, my family used to go up IN-327 most Saturdays to visit my grandparents. I remember this bridge because I think it was "paved" with wood planks back then (1950s and 60s). And the approaches had a sharp angle. Furthermore, the roadbed had the same sharp bend between the approach spans and the main span that the sidewalks still had when Nathan Holth took this photo. The front of the the car would jerk downwards as it drove onto the main span and then again as it drove off. Riding along in the backseat, that bridge would creep me out every time we crossed it because of the rattling wood planks and the car jerking downwards. It struck me when I was older that a long straight truck might hit the bridge when their front wheels drop down.
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After I-69 was built, we quit using that part of IN-327. Thus I never saw it after the 1978 rehabilitation. I see from this photo that they rounded off the junction between the approach span and the main span. This photo also shows what Nathan called the "Most Unique Paint Job." 
BridgeHunter

I see that the 2008 bridge has approaches that are a whole block long so that the curve at the top of the approaches is much more gentle. I  presume that 18-wheelers can safely go over this bridge.
Street View

Since the bridge wasn't replaced until the 21st Century, we can use Google Earth to get a "before" image. One can see that the approaches were so short they barely went past the edges of the railroad cut. (I also captured that this town uses lagoons for water reclamation. Fortunately, a contemporary satellite image shows that they are now keeping the algae off the ponds.)
Google Earth, Jul 2006

I also included the road in the upper-left corner because that was something else I remembered about these trips. Note that IN-327 north of Corunna ends at US-6. You had to turn West and go just a few blocks and then turn North again. I happened to notice that IN-327 has another "jog" just south of Helmer. I wondered why this road had these sharp 90-degree turns that really slow you down. I finally learned that it was because the earth is a sphere. A township is supposed to be six miles on each side. Because of the curvature of the earth, the top part of a township is shorter than the bottom part. So the surveor moves the side of the next township up so that the width is back to six miles. And IN-327 was built along the township boundaries in this area. Zooming out the satellite map, I see IN-327 also has a jog south of Corunna so that it is further west than Garrett, IN.
Satellite


The railroad through Corunna was the NYC mainline between Chicago and New York. This location used to have track pans for the NYC. [Eric Zerkle comment on a post. That comment seems to have been deleted. But not because it wasn't true. A comment by wabash2800 in trains confirms there were track pans near here. And wabash2800 in trainorders states that they were about a mile west of the bridge. (Trainorders also has a photo of the Purina Chow feedmill that used to be west of the bridge.)]
Dennis DeBruler

In fact, while confirming Eric's comment, I found this photo.
ogrforum
A little more information on the history and operation of track pans can be found here... www.jimquest.com/writ/trains/pans/Track_Pans.pdf   
"Photo of Track Pans on the former NYC at Corunna, Indiana taken just after they were installed in 1906/7."

Because of the shadow, we can clearly see where the grain elevator was. The building west of it was the depot.
EarthExplorer: Nov 28, 1951 @ 28,400, AR1PJ0000040151






Wednesday, April 6, 2022

C&NW Des Plaines Coach Yard

(Satellite)

I added the "roundhouse" label because this yard did have a turntable.
Bob Guhr posted
\Chicago & North Western - Des Plaines, IL Coach Yard. Smaller facility, water - about 8,000 gallons - fuel and turn table servicing about 7 engines per day. Photo by Elmer Passow.
Bob Lalich: Thanks for sharing! The yard is still there but mostly used for MoW and some local freight.

I had first noticed this yard in a satellite image when studying the Deval Junction. But I didn't know the name of it. Now that Bob Guhr has provided the name of Des Plaines Coach Yard, I can write about it. The yard's name confirms what I had surmised: at least some of the commuter trains terminated in Des Plaines because they were stored here. Now the commuter trains go beyond the Fox River and this yard is more of a storage yard. Unlike many railyards, it has retained most of its tracks.
1963 Arlington Heights Quad @ 1:24,000

The junction in the upper-left corner of the topo extract is Seeger Junction.





Wednesday, September 4, 2019

C&NW/G&CU Roundhouse in West Chicago/Turner Junction

(Satellite, it is now the parking lot for the Larry S. Provo Union Pacific Training Center where UP parked their Big Boy #4014 when it spent a few days in West Chicago.)

UP still has a railyard west of town.

James Powell posted
Would anyone have a nice side view/diagram for the Pioneer?
Brian Keith Landis Rockford.Illinois first train
Raymond Storey shared
Dennis DeBruler This is the first time I have been as interested in a locomotive as I was of the roundhouse. The Pioneer was the first locomotive for the first railroad out of Chicago --- Galena & Chicago Union. The G&CU became the west route of the C&NW.
Matt Covarrubias Yes! Hallowed ground... why you may ask? Because this is also the same place where The Union Pacific Big Boy 4014 was displayed in West Chicago IL. July 2019
Chicago & North Western Historical Society posted
Going way back, we have a shot of the Pioneer at the West Chicago roundhouse. The image likely dates from the 1870's according to our Pioneer expert.
Brian Keith Landis: The Pioneer locomotive pulled the first train into Rockford,Illinois in 1852.
Steve Cavaliere: Same one that is on display in Chicago Historical Museum?
Tom Wilson: Steve Cavaliere yup.
Raymond Storey shared

Dennis DeBruler commented on Matt's comment on Raymond's post
The Big Boy info allowed me to find it on a 1939 aerial photo. It is in the lower-right corner of this photo excerpt.
https://www.google.com/.../@41.8806003,-88.../data=!3m1!1e3
[1939 Aerial Photo from ILHAP]
Matt Covarrubias Dennis DeBruler
Oh Righty! Good Stuff
I believe the Roundhouse burnt down in the late 1950’s.
Also interesting to note is the current Police station was the former dispatching Center for the Chicago & North Western

Andy Zukowski posted
Round House & Railroad Yards in West Chicago, Illinois.

Jim Arvites posted
View of a westbound Chicago & North Western Railway train at West Chicago, Illinois on November 2, 1929.
(C&NW Historical Society Archives)


Malcolm Kramp commented on James' post

Mark Llanuza posted
Its June 1956 (Unknown photographer) captured this at the turntable at West Chicago IL .Today this is the UP RR west Chicago IL training center (photo collection Mark Llanuza)

Friends of the West Chicago City Museum posted ten images with the comment:
Due to the completion of the transcontinental rail line and increased train traffic, the Chicago & North Western Railroad built an enlarged engine house and turntable here in 1869. The roundhouse, a brick and wooden frame semicircular building, housed steam locomotives. Locomotives were placed on a revolving 70-foot long steel turntable and backed into one of the 13 stalls of the roundhouse. Here their boilers were kept fired up with steam; they were cleaned and oiled or dismantled for repairs.
The roundhouse and turntable were part of a large complex of buildings assembled for the repair and refueling of trains in West Chicago. In 1953 the roundhouse suffered a devastating fire while the local volunteer fire department was taking part in a drill with other area departments at the old Sash and Door factory. Although the out of town units helped fight the fire, the delay getting to the roundhouse fire from the practice fire slowed down their efforts. Repairs to the structure were not made mainly because of the phasing out of steam-powered engines, as the railroad increases its diesel engine roster.
The roundhouse complex was located in the present site of the West Chicago Police Department. When the Union Pacific’s Big Boy came to town in July 2019, it sat on one of the former roundhouse siding tracks.
Many men worked in the roundhouse over its 84 year history. It was a dirty job. A model of the roundhouse is on display in the City Museum’s CB&Q Depot located behind the museum on Turner Court. It is open to the public on Saturdays June-August.
Matt Covarrubias shared 
Dennis DeBruler shared
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Dennis DeBruler commented on his share
Parker and Neltnor on the west and east, Main and Conde on the north and south.
https://clearinghouse.isgs.illinois.edu/.../0bws01055.jpg




Monday, June 10, 2019

EJ&E Well Pump House

(Satellite)

Steve Kraus posted
Can anyone tell me about this curious building along the CN/EJ&E in Frankfort, IL (between control points Frank and Fort!)? Hoped to get it with a train but ATCS showed nothing coming soon. Photo taken yesterday. [6/6/2019]
Jacob Metzger It’s a EJ&E water pumping house from ages ago, from what I’ve always been told.
Steve Kraus Ah. Must have been a water tower near there.
.Unfortunately, Facebook deleted my comment, so I have to type it again here.

I concur that it is a pump house. The gantry above the rectangle hole in the roof is to pull sections of the well pipe when they need to clean the screen at the bottom of the well.

In this 1939 photo, Oak Street, which is near the left side of the photo, crossed the tracks.
1939 Aerial Photo from ILHAP
I scaled this satellite image so that the distance between Oak Street and Center Road would be about the same.
Satellite
In this photo I added a red rectangle around the pump house and yellow rectangles around possibilities for water towers.
Above aerial photo plus Paint
Of all of the buildings that the EJ&E had here, why is this the only one still standing? Is it now one of the wells that Frankfort Village uses for their water supply?

Thomas Dyrek posted
The Frankfort steam pump house as it appeared a few days ago. When was it built and when was the adjacent depot removed? Thomas Dyrek photo.

Robby Gragg posted
Just a few weeks after the CN takeover, a trio of J SD38-2s lead State Line loads East past the old pump house in Frankfort, IL. 2/10/09
Dennis DeBruler: 41°29'32.0"N 87°50'57.4"W

Friday, December 14, 2018

Steam Locomotive Servicing Towers: Coal, Water and Sand

Whenever I see a photo of an existing coaling tower posted, I try hard to locate it. I see I currently have 139 postings labeled with "towerCoal" in my towns blog. I'm amazed by the variety of the designs. Even though a lot of them were made by the same manufacture, there seems to have been little effort in standardizing the designs. Even though the towers have been unused for over a half-century, many of them still stand because they were constructed with reinforced concrete.

See Skip Hoist for more photos of coaling towers.

Dennis DeBruler, Gillman, IL
Most of the coal towers I have seen have been stripped of  their wood and metal parts. So sometimes it is hard to imagine what they used to look like. For example, these towers north of Gillman, IL looked quite differently when they were being used (see below).

The comments for this posting taught me about some coaling towers I had not heard of before, some of which still had metal parts. I include some of the existing towers with metal still on them at the end of these notes because they are so rare.
pinimg, Gillman, IL

But the motivation for this posting is the comments by Allan MacDonald and Brian Westhouse that taught me that these towers also stored sand. And some of them also stored water. Note that a diesel, as well as a tender, are parked at Gillman's towers above. That indicates the tower contains sand as well as coal. Like steam locomotives, diesels use sand for extra traction.
Dennis DeBruler
Special sand towers, along with huge diesel fuel tanks, have been developed for the facilities that service diesel engines.
Dennis Corso commented on a posting
Collinwood Yard. NYC on the East side of Cleveland
George L Hoppert It stood just out infront of the roundhouse but could be entered by a laborenth of track from the mains. Brought loaded coal cars through the tunnel on the far riht side to dump the coal into the pit below. they didn't fill or cover the pit for decades after they stopped using it . It was filled with black water to the top of the pit. Many trainman fell into the water filed pit while taking a short cut while switching the ajacent tracks. The elevator is just to the left of the pit.George L Hoppert Dennis Corso I was firing a job, and I got out to help with a move. I was going to take a shortcut through the pit. It was black flat and level just like all the rest of the area. if it wasn't for an old crusty brakeman , I would have gone in.
[This was on the mainline between Chicago and NYC, and it is the largest of which I remember seeing a photo.]

I feature another NYC coaling tower on their Water Level Route because it had four small silos for passenger train coal and one big one for freight train coal. "The coal for passenger trains was more refined egg-sized for a cleaner more efficient burn consumption." [comment by Philip A. Edwards]
Dennis DeBruler

Fernando Luna posted four photos with the comment:
COALING TOWERS;
Some of the last towers ever built were from reinforced concrete and stood hundreds of feet tall. Today, of course, the structure's purpose has long since ended.
However, several of the last towers constructed were so well built that several still stand to this day, over a half-century since they were last used! Until the 20th century virtually all steam locomotives coal as their primary fuel source (although very early locomotive designs, like 4-4-0 Americans used wood) with large tenders of water to produce the necessary steam.
The workings of a coaling towers are relatively simple. They were always gravity fed with the steam locomotive sitting below or nearby (if the tower employed chutes) and an operator would feed coal into the tender until it was topped off.
To refill the towers they usually had a staging track or an area where loaded hopper cars could be unloaded and a pulley/belt driven system would pick up the coal and load the bin.
Early systems were rudimentary using straight chain and pulley buckets but later systems used conveyor belts to efficiently load the coaling towers.
At their peak coaling towers were impressive structures with the develop of bigger enines ,standing multiple stories high and looking more like massive grain bins . Unfortunately, these newer coaling towers were so well built that many have proven too expensive for railroads to demolish and several can still be found dotting the landscape across the country, abandoned sentinels of a bygone era of railroading. (shared information of american rails address basically)
[Fortunately, he posted in a public group because there are several comments that document coaling towers that still exist.]
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Brian Westhouse commented on a posting
On this wooden coal tipple (at South Parry, On.) can you see the sand delivery pipes on the corners with supply pipes from near the top. The longer diagonal pipe at the top, delivers the sand to the tower.
The above photo shows that large coaling towers were also made of wood. But of course we don't see them today because wood doesn't last that long. In fact, before they used towers, they used coaling docks made of wood. C&NW in Nelson, IL provides examples of all three generations of coaling stations. First, a couple of photos of the coaling dock from the C&NW Historical Society.

C&NW Historical Society from Dennis DeBruler

C&NW Historical Society from Dennis DeBruler
This Jack Delano photo shows the wood tower that was at Nelson, IL. Since it is labelled OWI (Office of War Information), it is one of the many photos of railroading that Jack took during WWII.

Dennis DeBrulerLC-USW3-014097-D, part of lot 227
Since C&NW built their concrete tower after WWII, it would have been built soon before it was useless. I see it does have some metal parts on the other (east) side. I drove east of the tower on the south side looking for a gap in that treeline to get a photo of the other side. But the only gap I could find was on railroad property.

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Back in the steam era, there was a lot of variety among the railroads. So you can find exceptions to almost every convention. For example, EJ&E had separate sand and coaling towers in their Joliet Yard. And the coaling tower was made of metal, which is quite rare.
Michael Bachmann posted
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When constructed correctly, reinforced concrete is so strong that even using explosives to take them down is problematic. When the Rock Island took one down with explosives, the plan was that it would fall to the side. But it dropped down onto the mainline tracks. Kyle McGrogan commented on a posting: "The one in Decatur, Il is still there as the Wabash used old railroad rail for the rebar. N&W tried to blow it down....No luck. To the railroads, they meant these to go 1000 years at the time they built them."

Every town that had a coaling station would also have had a water tower. Although they were not necessarily across the tracks from each other.
Dennis DeBruler, Garrett, PA

Dennis DeBruler
 And there were water towers between coaling stations. So there were more water towers than coaling towers. The reason we don't see more today is that most of them were made of wood, and they have disappeared. One that does exist, and is easy to access if you are ever taking a trip on I-57, is in Kinmundy, IL. In fact, IC built a dam to create a little lake to help supply water for this tower.  Note how the metal bands get closer together as you go down the sides. That is because the water pressure is increasing. They have roofs because the water is treated with chemicals to help reduce the buildup of scale in the steam boilers. They don't want rain water to dilute the chemical treatment.

For tracks that were used by high-priority passenger trains such as NYC's 20th Century Limited, track pans were used to avoid having to stop for water.



Brian Westhouse provided some specifics concerning the spacing of coal and water towers:
On CNR through Northern Ontario, the divisional points averaged 150 miles maximum with coal and water at each end. Another combined Coal and Water stop was made a the 75 mile mark and two or three water towers between coal stops.
I've read that some railroads had a division point every 100 miles, and travelling to the next division point was considered a days work for the train crew. I know that the town of Garrett, IN was created by the B&O to be a division point. Even though trains are no longer serviced there, they are still very proud of their railroad origins. In fact, trains to Chicago were crewed from Garrett long after the conversion to diesel locomotives. They would be cabbed to a motel in Chicago, and then the next day they would run a train back home.

Since Champaign, IL, was a division point, the coaling facility that we see at the top of these notes that was in Gillman, IL, is an example of a coaling station that is about halfway between division points. The Kinmundy water tower was probably an example of an intermediate town that supplied just water.

Sometimes they incorporated water storage in with the coaling tower.
Harold Hoskins commented on a posting
[On this side of the two coal chutes, there appears to be a water spout. So the silo is probably a water tank and the coal bins are behind it. Note that they have a separate sand tower in front.]

Sometimes the train crew improvised to get water.
Brian Westhouse commented on a posting
I took this picture in 1970 about 98 miles north of Toronto. The coal tipple still standing has been long out of service. The 4-8-4 at the head end of this consist is taking on water from the river, being pumped by the local volunteer fire dept.
Peter Dudley shared
Looking for answers (this might be Windsor ON):
Ken Borg Windsor, Ont. Had that big coal dock at Riverside Yard.


Examples of towers that have at least some of their metal parts left


Dennis DeBruler, New Haven, CT
Since the metal parts are tracks, the tower would have used a skip hoist instead of a bucket elevator.

(Update: closeup photos of a preserved skip hoist)

A standing tower that still has parts of its skip hoist.
Dennis DeBruler, Flomation, AL
Normally, they remove the wood parts before they become a falling hazard.
Dennis DeBruler, Buffalo, NY

I had a hard time finding the town, let alone the tower.
Chris Ciesla posted
Mainline coaling tower in Oakland, PA.
As far as I know, this is still standing.
Years ago we used to walk our there to pick up pieces of coal, put them on top of the rail and shoot them. The coal would explode into a cloud of black dust if you got a direct hit. If you were too low, you'd hear the bullet ricochet off the rail.
Times have changed,
Thomas Dorman: Erie, built 1930 by Roberts &Schaefer, 2,000 tons capacity.