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Sunday, March 1, 2026

Neutrino Research including g-2, DUNE and Mu2e

Brookhaven: (Satellite)
Fermilab: (Satellite)
Argonne: (Satellite)

The following post has motivated me to record some thoughts concerning neutrino research.
Michel Talbot posted
The Cowan–Reines Neutrino Experiment. Physicists Clyde L. Cowan and Frederick Reines confirmed the existence of neutrinos experimentally in 1956. In one of the largest physics experiments of its time, they detected the neutrino, a particle postulated by Wolfgang Pauli in 1930 to explain how beta decay could conserve energy, momentum, and spin. They conducted experiments to detect it using inverse beta decay, in which an electron antineutrino interacts with a proton inside an atomic nucleus producing a neutron and a positron. The idea was to detect a neutrino by looking for the particles it left behind after it interacted with something. They set up their experiment using a tank of water and layers of liquid scintillators that could pick up signals from the secondary particles; a nuclear reactor provided the neutrinos. When a neutrino interacted with a proton in the water tank, the resulting particles would leave signature tracks in the liquid scintillator, revealing the neutrino’s presence. They first performed the experiment at the Hanford Site in Washington, but the cosmic-ray background muddied their data too much. So they moved to the Savannah River Plant in South Carolina where they had better shielding against cosmic rays—and that’s where they got their definitive results. They were able to identify about three neutrinos per hour in the many months of data they had collected. The results, which were consistent with Fermi's predictions, were published in Science in July 1956. Frederick Reines was awarded the 1995 Nobel Prize in Physics for this experiment.
Bill Lah: 2nd far detector Nova   https://novaexperiment.fnal.gov/

Michel Talbot commented on his post
Those odometer-like things sticking out of the panels are event counters attached to 90 delayed peak detectors each connected to a photomultiplier tube (30 are visible in this photo). This is where the experimental neutrino counts came from. The oscilloscope is only for diagnosing the detection pulse waveforms when calibrating the timing circuits for the experiment, also for impressing the boss because oscilloscope traces are sexier than clicking mechanical counters that increment about once a day on average.

Michel Talbot commented on his post
Flash forwards 14 years to November 13, 1970 and Argonne National Laboratory detects the first 'Neutrino Event' in a hydrogen bubble chamber. Here a neutrino hits a proton in a hydrogen atom; the collision occurs at the point where three tracks emanate on the right of the photograph.

Michel Talbot commented on his post
A side view of the 300-litre Hanford Liquid Scintillation Neutrino Detector surrounded by 90 photomultiplier tubes, each with a 5 cm diameter face that had a thin, photosensitive surface. The liquid scintillator converts a fraction of the energy of the positron into a tiny flash of light that travels through the highly transparent liquid to the Photomultiplier tubes (PMT) where individual photons trigger a cascade of secondary electrons that generate an electronic pulse strong enough to be detected on an oscilloscope screen.

g-2 Experiments


I've seen photos of a transport of a big magnet from the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal to Fermilab, but I can't find any notes on that move. It was the final leg of transferring the magnet from the Brookhaven National Lab to the Fermilab. Brookhaven used it for their Muon g-2 experiment. They found a discrepancy between what was predicted by the Standard Model and their experimental result concerning the magnetic moment of the Muon neutrino. Because the results are statistical, the more neutrinos they measure, the more confidence they have in the result. Since Fermilab can produce a beam with more neutrinos [7:36 video They can currently produce trillions of neutrinos every second.] in it than can Brookhaven, they moved the magnet to Fermilab. During that move, they also upgraded the instrumentation.

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The ring is 50' in diameter. 
The Brookhaven experiment shut down in 2001. The ring was moved in 2013. Fermilab ran the experiment for six years and shut off the muon beam on July 9, 2023. They now have a data set 21 times the size of the Brookhaven's data set. They plan to spend two more years to analyze the last three-years' worth of data. In the meantime, theorists are trying to figure out how to compute a value from the Standard Model with comparable precision. Since a 2020 computation, they invented a second way to compute the value. But it disagrees with the 2020 calculation!

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anl
"Simon Corrodi installing a calibration probe at Argonne’s solenoid magnet test facility. (Image by Mark Lopez/Argonne National Laboratory.)"
Argonne National Laboratory is part of the collaboration that "consists of 181 scientists from seven countries and 33 institutions."
This magnet at Argonne is used to calibrate the probes that are used to measure the field in the main magnet at Fermilab. "The facility enabled the scientists to achieve field measurements down to just a few parts per billion — like measuring the volume of water in a swimming pool down to the drop."

Generating neutrinos allows Fermilab to reuse all of their particle accelerator equipment except for the main ring. And the Muon g-2 is just one of several neutrino experiments that they have run, are running or plan to run.
@ 3:22

A "fun fact" from the video is that the horn that is used to focus the particles coming from the photon target uses 200,000 amps. I wonder what the power supply looks like for that gizmo.
@ 7:10

Building super-conducting magnets is an area of expertise at the BNL. [bnl_magnets] That explains why the first g-2 experiment was run there. When it appeared that they may be discovering new science, it was moved to Fermilab to more efficiently get better results because Fermilab can generate more neutrinos. 

Mu2e


Does this experiment make use of some of the equipment that was installed for the g-2 experiment? It should at least reuse the muon source developed for the g-2 experiment if not the magnet.
Argonne National Laboratory posted
A rare transformation at the subatomic level is bringing scientists closer to rewriting the rules of physics. Argonne scientists have successfully commissioned the Cosmic Ray Veto (CRV) detector, a crucial subsystem in the Mu2e experiment at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory - https://bit.ly/4t2PWaQ
This project aims to observe a rare muon-to-electron conversion—a discovery that could fundamentally change our understanding of the universe. The CRV detector plays a vital role by filtering out background noise caused by cosmic rays, ensuring the experiment’s accuracy and reliability.
The Mu2e experiment, a collaboration among over 30 institutions and 200 scientists worldwide, is expected to be 10,000 times more sensitive than previous efforts. With the CRV detecting and rejecting 99.99% of cosmic-ray muons, Argonne’s contributions are paving the way for new physics beyond the Standard Model.
Learn more about how Argonne is advancing particle physics.

anl
"The CRV modules before assembly. (Image by Argonne National Laboratory.)"

The Mu2e experiment intends to search for the conversion of a negatively charged muon into an electron in the presence of an aluminum nucleus: 
 [1]. In the Standard Model this process is forbidden. In the extended Standard Model with non-zero neutrino masses, the ratio of conversion to capture is at an experimentally unobservable value of 
 [2]. Hence, any observation of this process would be unambiguous evidence of new physics.
I did not know that the Standard Model had been extended to include the discovery that neutrinos have mass.

A Little Theory


I can remember that for decades after they were discovered, they thought the mass of a neutrino was zero. And detectors were finding only a third of the expected number of neutrinos coming from the sun. There are three flavors of neutrinos: electron, muon and tau. When they determined that a neutrino changes it flavor, called oscillation, that indicated neutrinos have mass. And that explained why only a third of the expected number of neutrinos were arriving from the sun. But the mass is very small and is still unknown.

IceCube


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After six years of boring 86 holes in the Antarctic ice, IceCube was completed in Dec 2010. It was built to help search for the source of cosmic rays. The DeepCore subdetector was added to help study neutrino oscillations. 100gb is sent each day by satellite to a data store in at UW-Madison.

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"The server room at the IceCube Neutrino Observatory. Photo Credit: Benjamin Eberhardt; ICECUBE/National Science Foundation"
It has been successful in its expected role in astronomy. In 2016, it helped determine that the source of a burst of neutrinos was from a blaser. A blasar is a quasar whose jet points at earth. This could be a source of cosmic rays. Cosmic rays themselves can't be used to determine a source because they are charged particles and their paths are distorted by interfering magnetic fields. Since neutrinos rarely interact with anything, they travel in straight lines.
IceCube has also made a couple of unexpected discoveries in fundamental physics.

In June 2023, an image of the Milky Way made with neutrinos instead of photons was released.
astronomy
"Each strip here shows the Milky Way using different techniques. At top is an optical image, showing clearly the dust and gas in the galactic plane. Below that are gamma-ray observations from the Fermi-LAT 12-year survey; the next two strips show the neutrinos astronomers expected to receive, based on the presence of gamma rays. At bottom is observed neutrino sources using the new technique. Credit: IceCube Collaboration"

icecube-gen2
A second-generation detector is being planned that will expand the volume from 1 cubic km to 8 cubic km using new, more sophisticated light sensors.


DUNE (Deep Underground Neutrino Experiment) and PIP-II

Fermilab has been shooting neutrinos 800 miles through the earth to a former underground mine, Sanford Underground Research Facility, in South Dakota for years. (I'm trying to remember if these include the experiments that discovered flavors and oscillation.) They are now working on a major upgrade of the detector, DUNE, and building a new accelerator, PIP-II.

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DUNE consists of two detectors, the near detector is on the Fermilab campus, and the far detector is in the mine. The far detector is huge and will be used for neutrino astronomy as well as particle physics experiments. The reason the far detector is deep underground is to shield it from cosmic rays and other surface noise.

Chicago Tribune, Sep 14, 2023, p1


Feb 2026: I've been seeing videos that DUNE is way over budget and behind on their schedule. Also, experiments being built in other countries might get results earlier and make DUNE obsolete before it is finished.

Tuesday, June 2, 2020

36-Axle Schnabel car moves nuclear vessel to disposal site

I have some general notes on the Schnabel cars. But this vessel move got enough railfan attention (i.e. photos (update: and videos)) that I decided it gets its own notes.

John W. Coke posted five photos with the comment:
The nuclear reactor vessel, encased in steel cylinder weighing 770 tons, from Southern California’s decommissioned San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station has started to make its way toward Las Vegas by rail. At more than 1.5 million pounds, it will be the largest and heaviest object ever moved on a Nevada road.
Red McQueen 750 ton
Mark Wayman Emmert International is handling the complete move from rail to transload to truck and then transport to disposition site in Utah.

John W Coke shared
Larry Beightol Going to Arrowlime
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Jeff Ketterman posted
This is what a REALLY big load on one of our huge 36-axle Schnabel cars looks like with a very tight clearance. They are inching their way thru this railroad bridge in California. This car can shift and lift the load when needed for tight clearances. Sometimes that makes all the difference.
The car alone weighs almost 800,000 lbs. It has a capacity of just over 2 million lbs. Let that sink in.
The loaded vessel shown on the car weighs 1.6 million lbs. Which brings the total on rail to 2.4 million pounds.
That’s a lot.
Jennifer Starr Can the old rail infrastructure support the weight?
Jeff Ketterman Jennifer, nothing moves without a full clearance run on every route for our cars and their loads by the railroads. Much engineering involved. AND, some of these loads move non-direct routes because direct route won’t handle the load.
Pat Armstrong McGowan Here I thought you were just an amazing musician and video maker.
Jeff Ketterman Pat, my REAL job is that of general manager for a heavy-duty rail car management company.
http://www.kasgro.com/
Jeff Ketterman Steve, we now have 500 heavy duty cars in our fleet.
Chip Bruner Afton canyon bridge cima sub 1 if what we called the 3 sisters [But I still don't know where that is.]

Jason Farmer shared
Patrick Cavanaugh As of 2012, there were 31 Schnabel cars operating in Europe, 30 in North America, 25 in Asia, and one in Australia.[1]
Glen Burgess How does the bridge take that weight?
Jim Bullock It depends on the length and capacity of the bridge. Each Schnabel car can carry about 890 tons spread out over 36 axles (72 33" dia wheels)!
I saw one carrying a nuclear reactor, traveling at 12 mph max! Impressive!
Dan Fitzgerald Axle loads and spacing, also [very slow] speed, no impact loading on bridge.

(new window)  At 10:19 is a daylight view.


I wonder if this is the train that delivered the car for the transport of the decommissioned nuclear reactor vessel. A comment mentioned that the CSX train lead the train all the way to California. Note in the above video that BNSF had two locomotives on it when it was loaded. And it doesn't need the two buffer flatcars when empty. It also looks to me that it can go faster than 10mph when empty.
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Wednesday, March 27, 2019

Two nuclear plants are being built after a 30 year hiatus in USA

Satellite

energy.gov
I was surprised when I saw a link to the video below in a crane group in Facebook. I had no idea that more nuclear power plants were being built in the USA.
(new window) This video suffers from the modern fad of having a bunch of short closeup views. I wish it also had included an overview of the Lampson transi-lift transitioning from walking to turning by rotating the back crawler tracks 90 degrees.



Technology:
Two Westinghouse AP1000 (Advanced Passive) nuclear units
About 1,117 megawatts each
Productivity and Progress:
Significant progress continued in December at the Vogtle nuclear expansion site near Waynesboro, Georgia with the placement of nearly 1,300 cubic yards of concrete inside the Unit 4 containment vessel. The continuous placement lasted 21 hours, and involved more than 100 workers and more than 120 truckloads of concrete.
[GeorgiaPower]

Construction photos    It is significant that there are 2019 photos on that page of photos. In 2018, because of cost overruns, there was a significant possibility of aborting the project. I haven't bothered to read the articles to see if the shareholders, federal taxpayers, and/or power company customers are getting screwed. [EEnews, SeekingAlpha]
SeekingAlpha

TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION

Vogtle Units 3 and 4 are the first U.S. deployment of the AP1000 Generation III+ reactor. The AP1000 was designed as the next-generation nuclear reactor that could provide a standardized design for the U.S. utilities market. The reactor is an evolutionary improvement over existing reactors, featuring advanced safety systems. For example, the AP1000 can shut down passively without external power or human intervention. The AP1000 is built with modules manufactured off-site and then assembled onsite. This has the potential to improve quality and eases construction when compared to the last generation of nuclear reactors built in the U.S. In addition, the AP1000 has a smaller footprint and simpler design, and uses less piping, valves, and pumps than older designs.
[energy.gov]
The two new units will support 800 jobs. At first that sounds good. But I asked myself a long time ago: why does it take so many people to run a nuclear plant? Not only is there the obvious issue of labor costs, more people increases the opportunity for human error. ComEd plants would talk about 400 employees for a plant that has two units. So technology improvements have evidently not improved operational costs. Plus we still can't bury our nuclear waste in a mountain in Nevada.

The AP1000 design is a refinement of the two-loop pressurized water reactor design developed for nuclear submarines in the 1950s. It is not a new design such as a fast breeder reactor that creates fuel instead of nuclear waste (and potentially bombs).  I wish we had spent federal money making nuclear power economic and safe rather than continue to put people in space. (I do agree with putting scientific missions into space, just not people.) A related issue is that I remember in the 1980s that fusion was going to be working by the year 2000.

NoNukesYall

Sunday, March 24, 2019

Flood of 2019: Reduced Nuclear and Hydro Power

There are three nuclear power plants along the Missouri river. The one at Brownville was already preparing for possible shutdown.

This video explains that Shell Creek is a problem. The levees along the river have been recently rebuilt and are expected to hold.
(new window) I could not find a date for this video. But I accessed it before 3/16/19.


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The Cooper Nuclear Station near Brownville, NE, is being shut down because the Missouri River is expected to have a record breaking flood as the snow pack in the Northern Plain states continues to melt with the ground still frozen and ice jams on the rivers. In fact, the above video explains that the river may top the Federal levees on both sides of the river in Brownville. (3/24/19 Update: Brownville did set a new record.

Satellite
The video's comments include: "Meanwhile, Ericson Dam in north-central Nebraska is at high risk of failing as the Cedar River continues to rise, according to a report by the National Weather Service."

The video also mentioned that a farmer was killed. I've read that he was driving to save several stranded cars, but a bridge collapsed when he drove his tractor over it.



Spencer Dam is never going to generate hydro power again. And the 10' or 12', depending on source, wall of water unleashed by the broken dam took out a popular trail bridge.

The video also mentioned that the release of the Gavins Dam was quadrupled to 90,000 cfs.
James Holmes
It has a powerhouse. I learned from the Oroville Dam disaster that a hydro power plant needs to shutdown if the downstream levels get too high. The fact that the water released through the gates will not make any electricity is the least of their concerns because most of the dam is an earth embankment.
Satellite
I have not seen any reports of transmission lines being blow down by the bomb cyclone. On the other hand, the Chicago Tribune never mentioned the Spencer Dam failure. After I read that the Omaha newspapers also didn't report it, then I wasn't as mad at the Chicago Tribune. However, recently they have been having a report on a different aspect of the flooding about every day.


Tuesday, June 28, 2016

Nuclear Waste Casks

I remember when they were crash testing casks to make sure they would remain intact and contain the waste in case of an accident. I assume they have now been tested to withstand terrorist bombing as well. But the government decided the safety of a few people far away from waste buried inside a mountain is worth more than the safety of the many people that live near the waste currently stored at nuclear power plants. So I don't think the casks have had much use.
John W. Coke posted
Lockwood Brothers Inc moving casks for nuclear waste.

John W. Coke posted three pictures of a cask and its special DODX freight car.
[Per David Cantrell's comment, this car is carrying an "M-140 Control Road Railroad Shipping Container used by Naval Reactors."]
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Sarah Summers Martin posted, cropped
Anyone know what this is?
Michael Moran: Department of Defense Nuclear Cask Car for carrying atomic material. It has DODX reporting marks. If it were loaded it would most likely have idler flats on either side plus an escort caboose with an armed escort.
[And a train would have just those two flat cars, this car and the caboose. There are several comments about what he speed restriction would be. Note in the photo that there appearse to be a second DODX car in this train. Some comments indicate these carried atomic fuel, instead of waste, to shipyards that support aircraft carriers and submarines.]

The following flatcar appears to be designed for the type of "intermodal" cask that John's photo at the top shows.
energy.gov, p27

energy.gov, p33

safe_image for 5 Common Myths About Transporting Spent Nuclear Fuel
Bill Shust: Having participated in as a small cog in the engineering efforts behind making such transport safe, I can attest that the D.O.E. has done their homework and that I have no qualms about the intended methods of getting spent nuclear fuel out of a myriad of power plants currently scattered across the country, and placed within a stable geologic repository.
Atlas Railcar Phase 3 Final Report



Wednesday, June 8, 2016

DC Cook Nuclear Power Plant Rotor Replacement

John W. Coke posted
Rotors for nuclear power plant in Michigan on the CSX
Michael Moran Headed into the DC Cook nuke plant, Bridgman, Mi.
The train is on the former Pere Marquette route. I can remember when they were building this plant when I was a kid. At the time, nuclear power plants had a designed lifetime of 40 years. They have had to keep them running well past 40 years. They have a visitor center.

Tom Remick, Copyleft
Interior of the turbine building at the Donald C. Cook Nuclear Generating Station, located in Bridgman, Michigan, USA. In the foreground is the Unit 1 electrical generator (yellow), followed by the Unit 1 low pressure turbines (brown). In the background are the Unit 2 turbine and generator. The large silver pipes contain the steam going to the various parts of the turbine.
Update:
Kenneth Childers posted
I&M's Cook nuclear power plant... [in 'Nuclear fuel, good old coal help I&M play a powerful role,' Fort Wayne News-Sentinel 1985-08-26]

Monday, January 25, 2016

Santa Fe's Argonne Branch and Nuclear Transport

John Pospepny posted
John's comment:
So yesterday I went to Waterfall Glen for a hike. On the way back I walked part of the old Argonne Branch (the part of the line that went up to the lab.) I haven't been able to find much out about the line but if you look closely some of the ties are still there.
My wife used to work at Argonne so this caught my eye, especially after Steve Rippeteau explained:
It has been about 45 years ago that I was the head brakeman on an eastbound train working from Chillicothe, IL to Corwith Yard, Chicago. I don't recall any other setouts or pick-ups en route on what would otherwise have been a routine trip, but we had two special DODX cars in the train for Argonne. I did not even think about getting photos or take notes. I was relatively fresh out of the US Army Transportation Corp in Vietnam in 1969. There were armed guards escorting the shipment in what I remember as a Pullman Troop Sleeping car. I just don't recall any other details of the car containing the shipment except it was placarded radioactive. It was a closed car and my memory is fuzzy, but it could have been stenciled DODX. Back then we did not discuss these special shipments but am sure it was destined for the Argonne National Laboratory. All we did was set the cars out on the siding to the Argonne lead that connected to the tracks that you have traced in your photos. They must have had their own loco to pick it up in this odd remote location. It was not an open park to the public back then. In 1969 I worked the Corwith Local but we never went up the hill. In fact, this is the one portion of the Illinois Division that I never got to work, so thank you for sharing your photos.

Ramon Rhodes comment on above posting
[These are cars that carried nuclear material back in those days.]
Ramon Rhodes comment on above postingBack in the days before the DOD bought those cool wide-vision cabooses these were guard cars for nuclear loads.