Showing posts with label rrBig4. Show all posts
Showing posts with label rrBig4. Show all posts

Friday, June 6, 2025

Big Four and Erie Bridges over Olentangy River in Caledonia, OH

Big Four: (Archived Bridge Hunter; Bridge Hunter; Historic BridgesSatellite, the southern bridge)

Street View, Sep 2023

Bill Edrington posted three photo with the comment:
The through truss bridges of the Big Four (right) and the Erie (left) still stand side-by-side over the Olentangy River at Caledonia, Ohio.  The two railroads operated their parallel lines as joint double track (dispatched by the Erie/EL) between Burt (Galion) and Marion for many years.  Both tracks became Conrail property on April 1, 1976, and CR eventually single-tracked the line, removing most of the Erie main, as seen here.  This is officially CSX's Mount Victory Subdivision today, but to me, it'll always be the Bee Line.
Bruce Bridges: The only truss bridge on the entire route from Cleveland to St. Louis! Everything else is concrete arches or deck plate girders.
Bill Edrington: Bruce Bridges - You're right, at least since the time of the PC merger in 1968, when the ex-PRR was designated as the main line west of Terre Haute. The Big Four's Cleveland-St. Louis main via Mattoon and Pana did have two other through truss bridges in modern times, over the Wabash River at Terre Haute and over Cahokia Creek near Gard, Illinois. Both still exist; the former is now used by the Decatur & Eastern Illinois; the latter by the UP's Pana Subdivision.
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This lattice truss is a "quadruple instersection Warren truss." [HistoricBridges_Big_Four]

Sunday, July 7, 2024

CSX+(NS+IORY) Bridge over Great Miami River in Dayton, OH

(Archived Bridge Hunter; no Historic Bridges; Satellite)

The bridge is 675' (206m) long with a max span of 225' (69m). [BridgeHunter]

Jann Mayer via BridgeHunter, License: Creative Commons Attribution (CC BY)

River View, Sep 2016

The tracks are at the top of the levees so they don't have to worry about flood walls.
Street View, Jun 2022

J.B. Rail Photog posted
06/27/2024 - CSX M277-25 heads southbound on the CSX Toledo Subdivision through Dayton, OH, crossing the Miami River.  This is an interesting bridge because CSX and Norfolk Southern actually uses the same bridge with on their own trackage.
[The northern track is CSX/B&O, and the southern track is NS/Big4. According to the 2004 SPV Map, IORY also uses the Big4 track.]
J.B. Rail Photog shared

Brian Caswell Train Photography posted
A Norfolk Southern mixed freight train crosses the Miami River in downtown Dayton Ohio at sunset / 7-14-25

Craig Hensley Photography posted
A pair of CSX units pull an eastbound ethanol train over The Great Miami River as they head into downtown Dayton, OH.
Dayton, OH - July 2024

Monday, March 6, 2023

CSX/Big Four Bridge over Scioto River at La Rue, OH and Mar 2023 Flooding

(no Bridge Hunter; Satellite)

Street View, Jul 2014

Why am I noting a steel girder bridge that is so plain that Bridge Hunter hasn't documented it? Because the river is flooding. I wonder how much of the field that is out-of-frame to the left is under water.
MP Rail Photography posted
A CSX Autorack train heads westbound over a flooded Scioto River in La Rue, Ohio on the CSX Mt. Victory Subdivision.
March 4, 2023
La Rue, Ohio
Power:
CSX 3082 - ES44AH
CSX 86 - AC44CW
MP Rail Photography shared

I knew California was getting a lot of precipitation this year, but I didn't know that the Ohio Valley is also getting pounded. So I checked out the river level gauge at Paducah. This shows that a single rain storm over the Ohio River watershed can have a significant impact on the Ohio River.
USGS

Then it occurred to me to checkout Vicksburg, MS, because that river was really low last Fall. 
Sam Evans Strickland posted via Dennis DeBruler-dry

Indeed, the Mississippi River level has recovered from its low of last Fall.
Dennis DeBruler-wet

Saturday, June 11, 2022

NS/NYC/LS&MS and CSX/Big Four Bridges over East Rocky River near Cleveland, OH

1909 NS: (Bridge Hunter; 3D Satellite, the northern or downstream bridge)
1800s Aban: (Bridge Hunter; 3D Satellite, the middle bridge)
1918 CSX: (Bridge Hunter; 3D Satellite, the southern or upstream bridge)

These bridges are over the East Rocky River. The LS&MS also had to cross Rocky River, which is a little further west.

This photo is looking South or upstream. the NS/NYC/LS&MS open-spandrel bridge is in the foreground, the abandoned NYC/LS&MS stone-arch bridge is in the middle and the CSX/Big Four closed-spandrel bridge is in the background. The open-spandrel bridge replaced the stone arch bridge.
Todd Dillon Flickr via three Bridge Hunters
 
The NS bridge is an open spandrel concrete arch bridge, and NS is letting spalling take a toll on it. On the right side of  this photo is some of the remnants of the abandoned stone arch bridge.
Street View

Bridges Now and Then posted
The Rocky River Bridge, Rocky River, Ohio, 1909. (Historic Structures)
Jeff Mullins: Lots of temporary works in this photo! How did they build the arch falsework…..by hand? No cranes in those days! Look at the man on the far river bank for scale.

Stone arch bridges can survive an incredible amount of neglect. The arch to the west was probably deliberately torn down to make room for the trail+road.
Street View
Craig Sanders Flickr caught this view in better light.

The CSX/Big Four bridge is a closed-spandrel bridge.
Street View

It is not too often that you see a road bridge that has been maintained much better than a railroad bridge.
This is the post that motivated researching the Rocky River. 
Bobby Becker posted
An eastbound NS train crosses the Rocky River in the Cleveland Metroparks December 2018.

Dennis DeBruler commented on Bobby's post
It looks like it may have been taken from the Berea Falls Scenic Overlook.
https://www.google.com/.../data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4...
Bobby Becker: Dennis DeBruler. It was indeed.

I learned that ownership of the LS&MS route changes in Cleveland between NS on the west side and CSX on the east side.

Friday, June 10, 2022

B&O, Big4 and Pennsy Bridges over Sandusky River in Tiffin, OH

All: (Satellite, a log jam on the south side of the center pier is a reminder that the Sandusky flows North to Lake Erie.)

Normally, I would pass up a steel girder bridge over a relatively narrow river, but there is so much railroad history in this photo that I decided to dig deeper.
MP Rail Photography posted
I158 heads eastbound on the Willard Subdivision as it crosses the Sandusky River in Tiffin, Ohio. Here the three bridges that once served three of the major eastern railroads can be see. The Pennsylvania RR, B&O and New York Central all crossed the river at this point.
May 22, 2022
Tiffin, Ohio
Power:
CSX 463 - AC44CW
CSX GEVO
MP Rail Photography shared

Scott Perry commented on MP Rail's post
So here is the original bridges over the sandusky river.. looking west. So Mad River Bridge on left(NYC/Big 4), B&O, PRR 1913. When the bridges were replaced(old were iron) the PRR pier was built for double track that didn't happen.
[Bridgehunters should not be plural. This photo appears in BridgeHunter-B&O-1883BridgeHunter-PRR and BridgeHunter-Big4]

This topo map excerpt was designed to include the railroad names. The Big4 was in the northeast and southwest quadrants while the Pennsy was in the northwest and southeast quadrants. So they had to cross each other and the B&O as they went through town. So did they cross east or west of the river because that would determine the order of the bridges on the river.
1960 Tiffin South Quad @ 1:24,000

I zoomed in to show that they crossed east of the river. Thus Scott's comment is correct and some of the descriptions in Bridge Hunter posts are not correct.
1960 Tiffin South Quad @ 1:24,000

MP Rail Photography posted
A sun bleached KCS ES44AC leads I66 eastbound on the B&O, seen here crossing the Sandusky River in Tiffin. August 11, 2024 Tiffin, Ohio Power: KCS 4705 - ES44AC James Evans: With the Big Four bridge on the left and the Pennsylvania bridge on the right. The B&O crossed both roads at grade just east of the Sandusky River. The diamond were moveable point frogs at PRR manned Tiffin Tower.

Since I see only two trusses, this photo must be older than the 1913 triple-truss photo shown above. So which railroad is missing? Since this was B&O's mainline to Chicago, I'm going to assume it was old enough to have a bridge there. And Tom Weisenauer commented on MP Rail's post that the Mad River and Lake Erie Railroad had a bridge here back in the 1830s. That railroad became part of the Big Four. So the Pennsy route must have been built after this photo was taken.
ColumbusLibrary via BridgeHunter-Big4, License: Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial (CC BY-NC)
View of Sandusky River, North from Washington Street, Tiffin, Ohio

Today's view north from Washington Street.
Street View

Facebook Reel

MP Rail Photography posted
CSX 249 in YN2 leads M565 westbound across the Sandusky River in Tiffin.  The abandoned bridges to the right and left of the train were once used by the New York Central and Pennsylvania Railroad but are now abandoned.
May 29, 2025
Tiffin, Ohio
Power:
CSX 249 - AC44CW
CN 2541 - C44-9W
MP Rail Photography shared

MP Rail Photography posted
CSX priority intermodal I010 charges over the Sandusky River in Tiffin.  This is actually three bridges, one each for the B&O, PRR and NYC, all of which crossed the river at this point.
July 13, 2025
Tiffin, Ohio
Power:
CSX 5252 - ES40DC
CSX 3225 - ES44AH
CSX 3379 - ET44AH
William Gall: Now just CSX. Low clearance over the roadway on this end with a lot of spalling concrete. Inspected this bridge for 15 years before I retired.

CSX now owns the B&O. The Big4 is abandoned. The Pennsy is abandoned to the southeast, and it is now owned by Northern Ohio & Western (NOW) to the northwest.



Friday, May 27, 2022

CSX/B&O, 1882 Trail/NYC and Pipe Bridges over Tanners Creek near Aurora, IN

Trail/NYC: (Bridge Hunter; B&TSatellite)

Built 1882 over Tanners Creek on the former Cincinnati and Southern Ohio River Railway, it became a part of the 'Big Four' rail line in 1915. [BridgeHunter]

These bridges are actually closer to Lawrenceburg than Aurora, but I used Aurora in the title because it has another nicely preserved truss bridge.

J.P. Jun 2009 Photo via BridgeHunter

1 of 4 photos posted by Bridges & tunnels with Sherman Cahal
A railroad bridge over Tanners Creek between Lawrenceburg and Aurora, Indiana was constructed by the Kellogg & Maurice Bridge Company for the Cincinnati & Southern Ohio River Railroad in 1882. Because much of the railroad was never completed along the Ohio River to New Albany, the line only saw limited traffic to a few local shippers in Aurora. It was eventually abandoned by Conrail in 1979.
Thankfully, the Pratt through truss bridge was not demolished. It was instead renovated in 1982 for a rail-to-trail conversion project.
Check out more photos of this bridge at http://bridgestunnels.com/.../tanners-creek-railroad-bridge/


In the background is the best view I've seen of the CSX/B&O bridge. Note that it still has cut stone piers.
1 of 12 photos in B&T

1943 Lawrenceburg Quad @ 1:24,000

B&T's blog has a slightly different history than does their Facebook post: "The bridge was repurposed for Indiana & Michigan Power in 1982 and in 2006 for the Aurora-Lawrenceburg Trail, a rail-to-trail between Lawrenceburg and Aurora." I&M's involvement explains what the pipe bridge is for. There used to be a power plant along the river and the pipes probably carried waste water to the settling ponds on the other side of the creek. I thought that maybe I&M used the Big Four bridge in 1982 to carry its pipes and then they built a bridge for the pipes in 2006 so that the Big Four bridge could be used for a trail. But the oldest usable satellite image in Google Earth, Apr 1993, shows the pipe bridge had already been built. Here is a view where the power plant was still receiving coal from barges. I found barges as recently as Jun 2014. The power plant was still standing in Apr 2017, but the buildings were gone by Mar 2018, and the smokestacks were gone by Oct 2018.
Google Earth, Mar 2005

Saturday, April 2, 2022

US-50 and 1913 CIND/Big4 Trusses over Whitewater and Great Miami Rivers at Cleves, OH

Whitewater: (Bridge Hunter; Historic BridgesSatellite)
1914 US-50: (Bridge Hunter; HAER)
1959 US-50: (Bridge Hunter; Historic Bridges; B&TSatellite)

CIND = Central Railroad of Indiana

Both the road and railroad bridges over the Great Miami River are named Cleves Bridge. The 1959 US-50 bridge was added next to the 1914 bridge to widen the highway. [HistoricBridges-1958] The 1914 truss was  replaced in 1990 by a Ugly Concrete Eyesore Bridge (UCEB).

The Whitewater Canal did not use this lower portion of the river. Thus I did not add the "canalWhite" label to these notes.

HAER OHIO,31-CLEVS.V,1--4
4. Looking thru the dock [deck] from west to east of 1st span. - Cleves Bridge, Spanning Great Miami River on U.S. Highway 50, Cleves, Hamilton County, OH
[The 1913 railroad bridge is on the right and on the left is the 1959 road bridge.]

Significance: This bridge is significant as a good representative example of Parker through truss bridge engineering. It is also one of the few remaining examples of the work of the Penn Bridge Company in Ohio.  [HAER-data, p2]

Today's view once I got past some trees on the shore.
Street View

HAER OHIO,31-CLEVS.V,1--10
10. Looking thru the deck from east side of 2nd span. View is from east to west.
 
Bridges & Tunnels posted
Washed away, rebuilt, and replaced—the Cleves Bridge has endured floods and time to keep travelers moving.
The Cleves Bridge, a Parker through truss structure spanning the Great Miami River along U.S. Route 50, has a long and evolving history. Originally a ferry crossing in the early 1800s, it saw multiple replacements due to floods, culminating in the 1914 truss bridge that carried both rail and vehicle traffic. A parallel span was added in 1960, but structural concerns led to the 1914 bridge’s closure and eventual replacement with a modern steel girder bridge in 1992.
🔖 More on its history + photos: https://bridgestunnels.com/location/cleves-bridge/

Daniel Lewis posted four photos with the comment: "Former B&O through truss bridges west of Cincinnati parallel to US50.  Currently G&W Central Indiana Railroad.  Crossing the Whitewater River."
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Dennis DeBruler commented on Daniel's post
The former railroad was the Big Four instead of the B&O. And the second photo is of the bridge over the Great Miami River. It has more truss spans than the three spans that are in the Whitewater Bridge. And you can see the westbound truss bridge for US-50.
1915 Lawrenceburg Quadrangle @ 1:48,000

HistoricBridges-1959 observed that this design tended to use rolled beams. But it does have some lattice members.
Street View

The 1913 railroad bridges use what appears to be plates rather than lattice or V-lacing to build up most of its diagonal members.
Street View, Great Miami River

Street View, Whitewater River

3:53 History in Your Own Backyard video @ 0:56
source
This railroad bridge was built in 1914 after the Great Flood of 1913 destroyed the previous bridge. But what is most interesting is the stone bridge abutment that this bridge rests on. Watch the video to find out about one of the best kept secrets in the state of Ohio.

Bridges & Tunnels posted five photos with the comment:
The Cleves Railroad Bridge, a Warren through truss structure in Cleves, Ohio, has carried trains over the Great Miami River since 1914, replacing a flood-destroyed predecessor. It is built upon the remnants of a circa 1840s aqueduct for the Whitewater & Cincinnati Canal.
Jack Homan: Did it have 2 set of tracks originally?
Bridges & Tunnels: Jack Homan Yes
James Nobbe: CIND mainline. Their local operations are based right there in Valley Jct and every train they run goes across that bridge.
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It was built on the abutments of the aquaduct for the Cincinnati & Whitewater Canal.
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April 2025 Flood:
44:34 video @ 14:54