Showing posts with label rrPM. Show all posts
Showing posts with label rrPM. Show all posts

Monday, February 17, 2025

Trail Bridges at Ionia, MI

Grand Trunk: (Satellite)
Gateway Overpass: (Bridge Hunter; Satellite)
1881 Pere Marquette: (Bridge Hunter)
1914 Pere Marquette: (Bridge Hunter; Satellite)

While studying the GTW depot in Ionia, I discovered that they have some non-trivial trail bridges. The former GTW right-of-way is now the Fred Meijer Grand River Valley Trail, and the former Pere Marquette RoW is now the Ionia River Trail. Both of the railroad bridges go over the Grand River. Some significant money was put into the trail system around Ionia.

GTW Bridge:
Edward Gross, Dec 2015

2015 Gateway Overpass:
Street View, Aug 2023

1881 PM:
BridgeHunter_1881
[It is not obvious in this photo, but it is obvious in the photo below that they added new piers between the existing piers because the steel girder spans are shorter than the truss spans. I'm still trying to figure out how they added the steel girders under the trusses, but in this photo they are removing the trusses since the girders are now carrying the tracks. As expected given the 1881 date, the trusses appear to be pin connected.]

1914 PM:
Pamala Thurber, Apr 2021

The Gateway Overpass is a tied arch. It was probably built offsite and then moved to the abutments to minimize the closure of the state highway. Not only did they build a new bridge, they built the embankments needed to create an overpass. Here is a view back when the trail crossed at grade level.
Street View, Oct 2013

The GTW bridge is on the west side and the PM bridge is on the east side.
Dennis DeBruler

Friday, December 27, 2024

1916 CSX/Pere Marquette Trestle over Rabbit River in Hamilton, MI

(Archived Bridge HunterHistoric BridgesSatellite)

I'm always a little surprised when I see a Class I railroad still using a wood trestle.

Street View, Oct 2012

Andy Gras posted
Chessie on the trestle at Hamilton Michigan in 1980.  Now this trestle is always a favorite spot for fishermen to fish when spawning season comes.  Fish leap the falls.  Its on the Rabbit River and Hamilton has a restaurant named after it, called The Trestle Stop.  Anyway, lots of pics are taken of this trestle, but the problem with me was, that it never had Chessie on it.  So that day I needed to fix the problem.
[According to some comments, CSX still operates the route, but at 10mph.]
Dennis DeBruler shared
Fortunately, the leaves were off the trees so that we can see the caboose.

HistoricBridges

Wednesday, January 24, 2024

Marquette Rail/CSX/PM Bridge over Muskegon River in Newaygo, MI

(Bridge Hunter broke Mar 22, 2023; Satellite)

Street View, Aug 2021

Clare Union Railroad Depot posted
PMRR files, Part 3: C&O Historical Society calendar

The view from a river access:
Michael Sluis, Oct 2020

Brian Caswell Train Photography posted
Four leaders for Marquette Rail , across the Muskegon River in Newaygo Michigan - Northbound to Baldwin from Sparta / October 2023
Tim Shanahan shared

The grain elevator in the background of Brian's photo is obviously rail served because some hopper cars have been delivered.
Satellite



Sunday, June 6, 2021

B&O, B&OCT, CGW and Pere Marquette freight houses along the south branch

(no Satellite because these railroad facilities are long gone. These facilities were on the east side of the South Branch between Harrison and Roosevelt.)

The straightening of the river in the 1930s had a big impact on the B&O facilities in downtown Chicago.

I start with after the straightening because I have just one photo of that. And because this material was moved from the Roosevelt Road Bridge post.

I used the bridge in the background of this photo to determine where this B&OCT locomotive was running. Once I identified the bascule bridge as the Roosevelt Road Bridge, I remembered that the B&OCT was the terminal railroad for the Grand Central Station, and B&OCT had tracks on the east side of the South Branch from their bridge to the station. This freight house was built after the river was straightened and did not yet exist in the 1938 aerial photo. B&OCT had several small freight houses that fed LCL freight to B&OCT's main classification freight house. It has the classical design for a freight house --- a multi-story building with lots of windows at one end for the office workers that is attached to a one-story freight handling building. In the days of LCL freight, there were no computers, so it took a lot of office workers to help process the paper work. Each boxcar had a folder that contained the waybills of the containers that were in that boxcar. After the LCL freight was sorted in Chicago to a destination train, the conductor on that road train would get these folders along with the waybills for the carload traffic. They would have to determine from the waybills in the folders which containers were to be dropped at which depot along the route. These containers could range from a refrigerator sent by a mail-order house such as Sears to a plow. Remember, in the 1800s everything came to town on the railroad. That is why depots had a passenger weighting room on one side and a freight handling room on the other side. The depot was the life blood of the town.
Scott Griffith posted
Les Wuollett Waiting at dwarf signal for line up to GCS. Probably to pull passenger train to Lincoln St coach yard.

Now back to the early 1900s.
MWRD posted
The South Branch of the Chicago River looking north from an area near Taylor Street in Chicago, Illinois, on November 8, 1908.
MWRD posted
The South Branch of the Chicago River looking north from an area near Taylor Street on November 8, 1908.
Ralph Leoni: Polk / Dearborn station noted in background right!

This is another example of a big boat making it this far south on the branch.
Original Chicago posted
The view is from the area of Polk Street looking toward the north in 1928. A crane is dredging a new channel in the last part of a river straightening project. The white billboard is an announcement of the project. In 1928 the final major engineering project on the river system straightened the channel of the South Branch between 18th and Polk by digging a new channel 850 feet west of Clark Street and filling the old river channel. This project improved rail access to the Loop and was part of the 1909 Burnham Plan.
Paul Webb shared
Dennis DeBruler shared with the comment: "This view shows some of the freight houses that used to be between Grand Central Station (note the clock tower on the right) and the river. It also shows that some big boats came down the South Branch and the Harrison Street Bridge in the raised position because of that big boat."
Thomas Karsten: The white building behind the clock tower is 175 w. Jackson and the faint outline behind is 208 s. La Salle. Looks like it’s after this section of the river was straightened.

Dennis DeBruler commented on MWRD's first post
The building along the right was one of the B&O freight houses.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g4104cm.g01790190601S/?sp=80

Jeff Nichols posted
Chicago River, view from Taylor, 1909. Pitt.
Victor StLawrence: Looking north. The warehouse on the left is where the newer post office is.
Marshall Field warehouse on the left.
Paul Jevert shared
[Note the trainshed and tower of Grand Central Station on the right side of this photo. And of course the freight houses along the river.]

 Note the freight house between the Grand Central Station and the river in the right background.
Raymond Kunst posted via Dennis DeBruler

Since I'm learning how to use the LoC's collection of Sanborn Maps, I checked out the map to the north, 71. The GTW freight house is along the river and Pere Marquette has one sandwiched between the GTW freight house and the train shed of Grand Central Station.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g4104cm.g01790190601S/?sp=72

I shared the MWRD post with another group, but Facebook won't give me a link to it. :-(

North is to the right.
Alice Niu posted

History's Mirror posted
[I'm not copying the description because it is an example of AI gone wrong. Basically, if a statement is not a platitude, it is wrong. The dredge is in the old channel, not the new one. And "Polk and Taylor Streets" implies an intersection, but they are parallel streets. The photo below shows that the photo was taken from Taylor and we are looking at Polk Street Bridge.
But it is a great photo of the freight houses and Polk Street Bridge.]
Franklin Campbell shared
Dennis DeBruler: The dredge is digging in the old channel, not creating the new one. But this is a terrific photo of Polk Street Bridge.

This photo confirms that the train shed that we see in the above photo was for the Grand Central Terminal. And because it includes the Pennsy freight house, I could confirm the streets as Taylor looking at Polk.
B&O C&O Grand Central, Chicago Terminal 1890-1971. posted via Dennis DeBruler
B&O Chicago Terminal, (Grand Central Station).
Lower left, old Pennsylvania Freight House - (1918-1974). 
323 Polk Street, Chgo.
Center of photo, Grand central and Train shed - (1890-1972) 
201 W. Harrison St. Chgo.
To the right was LaSalle Street Headhouse - (1903-1981). 
414 So. LaSalle St. Chgo.
[The date was probably c1924 because the new CUS is still being built. The tall building in the northwest quadrant of Polk Street and the river was the Marshal Field River Warehouse.]
Andrew Roth shared with the comment: "Forwarding this photo of Grand Central station and LaSalle Street Station when both station had large multi- track canopy roofs."

Thomas Manz commented on Andrew's share
Rand McNally view looking W from1893


Wednesday, January 20, 2021

Bridges over the Manistee River in Manistee, MI and Preserved Railcar Ferry

1964 Maple Street: (Bridge Hunter; Historic Bridges, has photos of the previous 1873 swing 1908 swing and rolling bridges; Satellite)
Trestle: (no Bridge Hunter; Satellite)

Maple Street Bridge


1, - Onekama, Michigan posted
One of the things that are must do when you are in the Manistee area - watch a freighter come into Manistee and thread the needle
The journey starts at the Manistee harbor entrance and continues up the Manistee River to the lift bridges  at Maple Street and US 31
Great Republic Coming into Manistee - Photo by Chris Franckowiak

1, - Onekama, Michigan posted
We have featured Chris Franckowiak's photos for several years on this page. His photography and his knowledge of the Great Lakes shipping industry is greatly appreciated
MANITOWOC coming into Manistee

Brendon Baillod posted, Credit Brendon Baillod Collection
Here's a nice Manistee view I picked up a few weeks back.  This is a divided back, color-tinted postcard that was mailed in 1908 from Manistee.
It is particularly sharp and shows the steam-barge Normandie with a deck load of barreled salt just after passing under the Maple Street Bridge.  The lumber in the foreground is very characteristic of Manistee's industry at that time.
The 160 ft. [49m] Normandie was built in 1894 at Green Bay for the lumber and bulk freight trades.  She is shown here in the livery of the Michigan, Indiana and Illinois Line for whom she would primarily carry salt out of Manistee.  In 1915, she was sold to Lake Erie parties and in 1920, she was renamed Marysville.  In 1927 she was rebuilt as a self-unloading sand dredge and she was lost in June of 1928 when she burned at the mouth of Belle River at Marine City, Michigan.
Brendon Baillod shared

Jess OBrien posted
I wish I had caught it by the lighthouse.  This was my first time and I had no idea where the better vantage points were at.
[Personally, I'm glad he didn't catch it by the lighthouse because I like the bridge photo. The comments on this post contain serveral more photos of the freighter.]

David Potter posted
Great Republic Inbound Manistee, MI. 10 16 2022
 
Another freighter that squeezes up the channel. I chose this photo because it confirms that it has a stern thruster was well as a bow thruster.
1 of 7 photos posted by Tony Bidigare
ALGOMA BUFFALO pulling into the harbor in Manistee Mi.


US-31 Memorial Bridge

This is a Scherzer rolling-lift bridge.
David Daruszka posted
"The Smith Bridge is known as Memorial Bridge and was built in 1933 by the Michigan highway Dept. It is dedicated to the memory of the soldiers and sailors who lost their lives in world War I. It has a 105 ft. span, 47 ft. above the river and is 40 ft. wide It is a modern lift bridge with two 60 ft. leave and four car drive. It is electrically controlled and operated with automatic stops both going up and down." (Information from the reverse side of the postcard.)

Dennis DeBruler commented on David's post
An earlier bridge at this site. https://bridgehunter.com/mi/manistee/bh73232/
 
Bridges Now and Then posted
"The construction of Memorial Bridge, Manistee, Michigan, commenced in July 1932 and continued through the autumn of 1933." (Manistee County Historical Museum)

Al Miller posted
Late in its career with USS Great Lakes Fleet, the George A. Sloan eases up the Manistee River bound for industry in nearby Filer City, Mich. It was a slow trip, especially passing through the U.S. 31 drawbridge in Manistee and lining up on the railroad swing bridge just ahead.

manisteenews via Bridge Hunter, License: Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike (CC BY-SA)

Blueyes below posted
Talk about good clean living!!!
I crossed the bridge here in Manistee, Michigan right before they opened it and was able to get the drone deployed. A great start to the morning! 
That is the Mark W Barker, the newest freighter on the Great Lakes. 639’ long. A bit of a tight squeeze!
Francis C Franklin shared

I noticed in Bridge Hunter and Historic Bridges that the designer was Scherzer Rolling Lift Bridge Co. The architectural ornamentation of this bridge is fancy enough that I did not notice it was a rolling bridge when I first looked at the photos. But that would explain why the piers are so wide.  And the following image shows the spans have moved back away from the channel.

Donald Harrison Flickr via Historic Bridges, License: Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.0 Generic (CC BY-NC-ND 2.0)

JANSYVERSION via FollowingThatDream via Bridge Hunter-maple [I believe this was uploaded to the wrong Bridge Hunter post.]

CSX/PM 1937 East & West Railroad Bridge


Street View

Plate girder swing bridges are rare. Particularly ones that are still operational in 2020. Historic Bridges indicates that this bridge still carries trains and still opens for marine traffic.

MichiganRailroads via Bridge Hunter, Charles Showalter collection
M&NE 325 pulls a passenger train across the Manistee swing bridge.


PM Trestle

Dave Lotz posted

Dave commented on his post

Dave commented on his post
Just the foundations.
[Dave posted this in response to the question of its existence.]
 
Dennis DeBruler commented on Dave's post
1957 Copemish and 1956 Onekama Quadrangles @ 1:62,500

Dennis DeBruler commented on Dave's post
I think I found one of the footings.
44°16'14.6"N 86°00'28.1"W


Preserved Grand Trunk Ferry


While looking at Bridge Hunter, I learned that the town has a preserved Grand Trunk Railroad ferry.
Julian and Christian Stadeli, Jul 2018
[This photo has been moved to the SS City of Milwaukee Ferry notes.]

Tuesday, January 5, 2021

MQT/CSX/C&O/PM 1903 Bridge over Grand River in Grand Rapids, MI

(Bridge Hunter; Historic BridgesSatellite)

"Along with the few other truss bridges in the Grand Rapids area, the bridge is among the longest truss bridges in Michigan. Very few rivers in Michigan reach the size of the Grand River in this area." Originally, the bridge carried two tracks.  [Historic Bridges]

Street View
 
Photo taken by Brent Tindall in Apr 2014 via Bridge Hunter, License: Released into public domain
Upstream side from West end
[The first span was completed in 1922 and the next span was one of the original spans and it was built in 1901. We can barely see the tie rods in the pin-connected Pratt Truss of the second span. The Warren Truss span is old enough that it is still using V-lattice for the compression members.]

Brian Caswell posted
MQT 3389 (Z151) Leads a four unit short manifest North over the Grand River in downtown Grand Rapids Michigan , on its way North to Grant / 12-29-20

Tim Shannahan shared
Theodore Garofolo: Does the swing still open?
Tim Shannahan: Theodore Garofolo Nope.
Theodore Garofolo
 The requirement to accommodate navigation on the Grand River was dropped in 1907, just four years after the bridge was finished!

Dennis DeBruler commented on Tim's share
MQT is Marquette Rail that operates former Pere Marquette routes.

Dennis DeBruler commented on Tim's share
I checked the gwrr web site. It states the capacity of the MQT is 286k. That is the current standard. I'm rather surprised this bridge supports that load. I got curious as to how ubiquitous the 286k standard has become and extracted this CSX capacity map. I wonder if the little red dots are bridges. The red routes are limited to 263k with 4-axles.

Satellite plus Paint
The date information comes from Historic Bridges. I think Bridge Hunter has the 1908 and 1922 spans reversed.
 
Jonathon Leese posted
NS job B49, running as Z739 on CSX, crosses the Grand River northbound with a former Conrail GP40-2 and GP38-2 for power. On the head end of the train are gondolas full of wire for Michigan Wire in Lowell on the Grand Rapids Eastern, which burned down a few years later. Norfolk Southern's presence in Grand Rapids would disappear 2 years later when they leased their line to Watco's Grand Elk. Grand Rapids 3/29/07
Roger Riblett posted

Historic Bridges observes that the original spans do not have overhead lateral bracing, only portal bracing and struts (sway bracing). The satellite image and the following photo teach me that "lateral bracing" must mean the diagonal members in the top chord.
Photo taken by Brent Tindall in Apr 2014 via Bridge Hunter, License: Released into public domain
Looking Southeast

Historic Bridges also explains: "At first glance, the 1908 fixed span also appears identical to the 1901 fixed span. However a few minor detail differences are present. The 1901 span features vertical members with v-lacing that is a heavy-duty style common on railroad bridges where each lacing bar has no rounded ends, each end of the bar is fastened with two rivets, and lacing bars do not overlap. The 1908 span in contrast has v-lacing style that was used frequently on both highway and railroad bridges. These lacing bars feature rounded ends with a single rivet at each end, and the ends of the lacing bars overlap with their neighbor, sharing each rivet. Also, the 1908 span has overhead lateral bracing, giving it a more traditional appearance." None of Brent's photos have enough detail to show the lacing in the older spans. But it is easy to see that the 1922 span uses the "heavy-duty style" of lacing.
An excerpt from the above photo at photo resolution

As an example of the other style of lacing, here is one of my detail photos of the 1880s Old Renwick Road Truss Bridge that shows a single rivet through the ends of rounded lattice bars.
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