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Saturday, October 24, 2026

1878-2001 NS/Sou/CNO&TP/CS Saluda Grade




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"The three-mile-long grade that crests at Saluda is the steepest mainline, standard-gauge stretch of track in the nation. It rises an average of 4.7 feet for every 100 feet in length....Construction on the Saluda line in the 1870s marked the first use of convict labor on such a large scale....The goal was to provide a rail connection for Asheville with Spartanburg, South Carolina, and points to the south, one to complement the routes to Salisbury in the east, Murphy to the west, and Knoxville, Tennessee, to the north. By 2000 the tracks had been abandoned with traffic shifted to other routes."
[Location of marker]

Southern Railway Historical Association posted via Dennis DeBruler
Hot brakes! That’s what the cloud of smoke emanating from underneath the boxcar tells us. But that’s just a common side effect of descending a grade as steep as Saluda, which peaked at around 5%, much steeper than railroads generally prefer.
The brakeman is likely out of view inspecting the train as it passed, checking for hotboxes, sliding wheels, and dragging equipment, a common problem on a long and heavy grade like this. If any defects were found in this train inspection, the train would be stopping once it cleared the grade here in Melrose, which would allow for these to be addressed. Then, the retaining valves and brakes would be reset and the train would continue its journey toward Spartanburg.
Saluda grade, which was the steepest mainline grade in the US, was notorious for being difficult to control and was occasionally the site of runaway trains. In accordance with the special train handling rules for the grade at the time, all trains coming from Asheville would be descending the grade and would have stopped at the Stop Board at the top of the grade in the town of Saluda and had the retaining valves turned up and the brake pipes set to 100psi before departing down the grade. As soon as the train was rolling, the engineer was to set and release a 10psi brake application so that the retaining valves would retain the application in the brake cylinders, keeping the brake shoes against the wheels, but letting the brake pipe recharge. The engineer would then maintain a speed of 5-8 miles an hour descending the grade.
Richard Baldwin photo.

Looking at this map, I thought the grade was the three miles on the west side of Saluda.
1960/60 Knoxville Quad @ 250,000

But then I noticed that the two Runaway Track labels and the Sand Cut label are on the east side of Saluda. Note the road closures on US-176. All of the popups say "Closed until 2028." Have these segments have been closed since Hurricane Helene struck the area in Sep 2024?
Satellite

The runaway track would be the one that goes straight.
Drayton Blackgrove, Oct 2021, Runaway Track 1

The turnout would have to be on the side of a hill so that the mainline can continue to go down the grade but the runaway track can go uphill.
Andrew Raila ‘Bammers!, Dec 2024, Runaway Track 2

This shows the whole segment that NS abandoned and that is being turned into a trail.
safe_image for Norfolk Southern files for abandonment of Saluda Grade
"Idle since 2001, the former Southern Railway route was once the steepest mainline grade in America, with a 4.7% incline including a brief stretch at 5.1%."
Randall Hampton shared
They're just now doing the abandonment paperwork?  The trail conversion was funded a couple of years ago, at least.  I don't know why everything is moving so slow.

The 31.5 mile [51km] trail is evidently still in the planning stages. [SaudaGradeTrail]

Thursday, July 30, 2026

1878+1962 NS/Southern/CNO&TP Nemo Tunnels #22, #23 and #24 near Wartburg, TN

Old #22: (Archived Bridge Hunter; Bridge Hunter; Satellite, south portal. Note bridge pier just south of the portal.)
1929 Pedestrian Bridge: (Archived Bridge Hunter; Bridge Hunter; no Historic Bridges; Satellite)


1 of 29 photos posted by Matt Murphy
Nemo Tunnel last week [Jul 2026]— at Nemo Tunnel.
[Note that the tunnel provides plenty of clearance for double-stack container cars.]

I think Matt was at the south portal of New #24.
"First Train", company photographer via BridgeHutner_new_#24

The old tunnels were built in 1878. The were 15' (4.6m) wide and 20' (6m) high. In 1962, they were bypassed by tunnels that were 20' (6m) wide and 30' (9.1m) high. Old #24 was replaced by an adjacent New #24. Old #22 and #23 were replaced by New #22 and a new bridge on a new alignment. The right-of-way with the new tunnels is in purple in this map. The tunnels marked with dashed black lines are the old tunnels.
1980/88 Lancing Quad @ 24,000

In addition to building new tunnels, a lot of dirt was moved. This view of the north portal of New #24 also shows the new NS bridge over the Emory River.
company photographer via BridgeHutner_new_#24

Looking the other way along the bridge, we se the south portal of New #22.
2012 photo by Shane Passmore via BridgeHunter_new_#22

1906+1927 Nemo Bridge


There is a third span hidden in the trees because over half of this bridge is over a flood plain.
Street View, Sep 2015

It is faint, but we can see the third truss in this photo.
BridgeHunter_pedestrian

I think 1923 is a late date to still be building a pin-connected bridge.
2010 photo by Calvin Sneed via BridgeHunter_pedestrian

RedGlobeReflections

We can see a hint of the third truss in this photo.
2010 photo by Calvin Sneed via BridgeHunter_pedestrian

Tuesday, May 30, 2023

1929 NS/Sou/CNO&TP/CS Bridge over Kentucky River at High Bridge, KY

([I could not find an entry for this bridge in Bridge Hunter]; B&T; Satellite, 207 photos)

To explain the title, Cincinnati built and owns the Cincinnati Southern route, but it now leases it to the Cincinnati, New Orleans & Texas Pacific (CNO&TP), which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Norfolk Southern.

The previous bridges, 1877+1911, are documented here.

OnlyInYourState, Wikimedia/Rsfinlayson
"High Bridge opened as a part of the Cincinnati Southern Railway in 1877 and soared at a height of 275 feet and 1,125 feet long. Over a century later and the bridge continues to stand as one of the tallest and most impressive in Kentucky.
"At the time it was built, High Bridge was the tallest bridge above a navigable waterway in North America and the tallest railroad bridge in the world until the early 1900s."
Kentucky Living Magazine posted
On this day in 1877, workers completed High Bridge, connecting Jessamine and Mercer Counties over the Kentucky River Palisades. It was the tallest bridge above a navigable waterway in North America (275 feet) and the tallest railroad bridge in the world until the early 20th century. The bridge was rebuilt in 1911 and is still used today by Norfolk Southern Railway to carry trains between Lexington and Danville. It has been designated as a National Historic Civil Engineering Landmark.
C Kent McKenzie shared
Norfolk-Southern...
Kentucky Colonels - National Headquarters posted (source)
In 1877, the first cantilever bridge in the United States was completed in Harrodsburg, Kentucky. This railroad bridge crosses the Kentucky River Palisades, connecting Jessamine and Mercer counties. A cantilever bridge is a bridge whose main elements are cantilevers (structures that are anchored at only one end while the other projects horizontally into space). #KyHistory
Kenny McLaughlin Also known as High Bridge, the oldest highest bridge in the US still used! I’ve sat in the middle of that bridge with two friends with our legs hanging over the side holding on for dear life while a train and many cars went over it at about 40 mph. That thing flexes and shakes while that train crosses it ! It’s so high you can’t imagine how it was built! Those were the days!
Bill Johnson That's actually the second bridge. In the early 1900s, the new bridge was built around the old bridge and the elevation was raised. Later, it was made a double track bridge.
 
Bridges & Tunnels posted
High Bridge spans the Kentucky River near Wilmore, where the gorge drops nearly 300 feet to the valley floor. Completed in 1877 and rebuilt in 1911, it was the first cantilever bridge in the United States and, for a time, the tallest railroad bridge in the world. Its construction marked a turning point in American engineering and railroad expansion through Kentucky’s interior.
📸 More photos + history of the High Bridge: https://bridgestunnels.com/location/high-bridge/

Jim Pearson Photography posted
A southbound Norfolk Southern intermodal heads across High Bridge on November 8th, 2022, as it heads north across the Kentucky River on the NS CNO&TP First District at Highbridge, Kentucky.
According to Wikipedia: The High Bridge is a railroad bridge crossing the Kentucky River Palisades, that rises approximately 275 feet from the river below and connects Jessamine and Mercer counties in Kentucky. Formally dedicated in 1879, it is the first cantilever bridge constructed in the United States. It has a three-span continuous under-deck truss used by Norfolk Southern Railway to carry trains between Lexington and Danville. It has been designated as a National Historic Civil Engineering Landmark.
In 1851, the Lexington & Danville Railroad, with Julius Adams as chief engineer, retained John A. Roebling to build a railroad suspension bridge across the Kentucky River for a line connecting Lexington and Danville, Kentucky west of the intersection of the Dix and Kentucky rivers. In 1855, the company ran out of money and the project was resumed by Cincinnati Southern Railroad in 1873 following a proposal by C. Shaler Smith for a cantilever design using stone towers designed by John A. Roebling (who designed the Brooklyn Bridge).
The bridge was erected using a cantilever design with a three-span continuous under-deck truss and was opened in 1877 on the Cincinnati Southern Railway. It was 275 feet (84 m) tall and 1,125 feet (343 m) long: the tallest bridge above a navigable waterway in North America and the tallest railroad bridge in the world until the early 20th century. Construction was completed using 3,654,280 pounds of iron at a total cost of $404,373.31. In 1879 President Rutherford B. Hayes and Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman attended the dedication.
Tech Info: DJI Mavic Air 2S Drone, 22mm, f/2.8, 1/1600, ISO 120.
 
Jim Pearson Photography posted
Norfolk Southern intermodal 28C heads northbound across High Bridge on June 8th, 2024, crossing the Kentucky River on the NS CNO&TP First District at Highbridge, Kentucky.
[The rest of the description is similar to the one above.]

Ben Childers, Jul 2020

Note the abandoned route that stayed close to the Kentucky River. It had a tunnel near the upper-right corner of this excerpt. On the left side we see L&D #7 and a ferry. I presume if residents of High Bridge now want to go south or west, they have to drive a either to US-27 or US-68.
1952 Wilmore Quad @ 24,000

I knew that L&D #7 was part of the Kentucky River System, but I did not realize that there was such a large fleeting areas for barge.
This image has been moved to "1877+1911 NS/CNO&TP/Sou/CS"

Marty Bernard posted
4. Southern Railroad Bridge across the Cumberland River in Kentucky. Blackhawk Films, Bill Howes collection.
Stephen Williamson: I question the location of this. It sure looks like the high bridge crossing the Kentucky river. I could be mistaken. The Cumberland River bridge near Somerset, KY is a different structure. The lattice paneled piers lead me to believe this is high bridge near Wilmore, KY.
Dennis DeBruler: Stephen Williamson I agree. That looks like the NS/Cincinnati Southern High Bridge over the Kentucky River.
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/kentucky/high-bridge-ky/
Marty Bernard shared

Ben Childers, Nov 2017
 
Jim Pearson Photography posted
Union Pacific 4139 leads Norfolk Southern 196 across High Bridge on November 8th, 2022, as it heads north across the Kentucky River on the NS CNO&TP First District (Short Line).
According to Wikipedia: The High Bridge is a railroad bridge crossing the Kentucky River Palisades, that rises approximately 275 feet from the river below and connects Jessamine and Mercer counties in Kentucky. Formally dedicated in 1879, it is the first cantilever bridge constructed in the United States. It has a three-span continuous under-deck truss used by Norfolk Southern Railway to carry trains between Lexington and Danville. It has been designated as a National Historic Civil Engineering Landmark.
In 1851, the Lexington & Danville Railroad, with Julius Adams as chief engineer, retained John A. Roebling to build a railroad suspension bridge across the Kentucky River for a line connecting Lexington and Danville, Kentucky west of the intersection of the Dix and Kentucky rivers. In 1855, the company ran out of money and the project was resumed by Cincinnati Southern Railroad in 1873 following a proposal by C. Shaler Smith for a cantilever design using stone towers designed by John A. Roebling (who designed the Brooklyn Bridge).
The bridge was erected using a cantilever design with a three-span continuous under-deck truss and was opened in 1877 on the Cincinnati Southern Railway. It was 275 feet (84 m) tall and 1,125 feet (343 m) long: the tallest bridge above a navigable waterway in North America and the tallest railroad bridge in the world until the early 20th century. Construction was completed using 3,654,280 pounds of iron at a total cost of $404,373.31. In 1879 President Rutherford B. Hayes and Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman attended the dedication.
After years of heavy railroad use, the bridge was rebuilt by Gustav Lindenthal in 1911. Lindenthal reinforced the foundations and rebuilt the bridge around the original structure. To keep railroad traffic flowing, the track deck was raised by 30 feet during construction and a temporary trestle was constructed.[6] In 1929, an additional set of tracks was built to accommodate increased railroad traffic and the original limestone towers were removed.
Tech Info: DJI Mavic Air 2S Drone, 22mm, f/2.8, 1/2000, ISO 110.
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Peter Kirk: Surely the Garabit viaduct in France, built by Gustave Eiffel in 1882-1884, was a taller railroad bridge (407 ft) before the early 20th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garabit_viaduct
I'll see if I can correct Wikipedia.
Randall Hampton shared

Russell Saunders posted three photos with the comment: "This is High Bridge crossing the Kentucky River near Wilmore.  Very historic, it is an engineering marvel that still carries freight traffic."
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John Hamilton posted
High Bridge of Kentucky, southwest of Lexington, crossing the Kentucky River, NS line. Taken June 2018.

Barry Delaney posted
High Bridge, Kentucky on the C,NO&TP. 2/28/23

Mtnclimberjoe Rail Photography posted
A pair of NS rebuilds, one from Wabtec and one from Progress Rail, lead Norfolk Southern manifest freight 376 as it heads north over High Bridge, crossing over the Kentucky River in High Bridge, Kentucky. Completed in 1877 by the Cincinnati Southern Railway and standing 275 feet tall, it was the tallest bridge above a navigable waterway in North America and the tallest railroad bridge in the world until the early 20th century.
====Info====
6/5/2023
NS CNO&TP First District
High Bridge, KY
NS 376 (Manifest; Rockport, IN to Middletown, OH)
NS 4644 AC44C6M Ex. NS 9511 C44-9W, NS 9511 C40-9W Blt. 2000
NS 1843 SD70ACC Ex. NS 2516 SD70 Blt. 1993


SteelRails posted
Norfolk Southern, NS 4824, Rebuilt GE AC44C6M, lead NS28C over the NS high Bridge  in Wilmore, Kentucky on the NS CNO&TP Second District, also known as the Rathole, on June 8, 2024.

SteelRails posted
On June 8, 2024, Norfolk Southern, NS 1834, Rebuilt EMD SD70ACC, lead NS29F over the NS high Bridge on the CNO&TP Second District, also known as the Rathole in Wilmore, Kentucky.

Thursday, August 12, 2021

1870s+1888+c1950 NS/Sou/CNO&TP/CS Bridges over Cumberland River and Tunnels #3 & #4 at Burnside, KY

Tunnels #3 & #4: (B&T; Satellite, the new route for the higher 1950 bridge caused these two tunnels to be abandoned.)
1950: (Archived Bridge Hunter; Bridge Hunter; no Historic Bridges; B&T; Satellite)


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Note the cut on the left side. It is nice that the view caught a train on the bridge because it shows how deep the trusses are.
Street View, Oct 2024

1870s:

Pinterest via BridgeHunter-1870s

1888:

It looks like they reused the cut stone piers of the previous bridge. Or is that artistic license?
BridgeHunter-1888, postcard

Vintage photo via BridgeHunter_1888

Vintage photo via BridgeHunter_1888

BridgeHunter-1888, 1940's company photo
"Note Tunnel #4 directly behind. Also of interest is the curved design."

The reason they had to build a new bridge in 1950 was to reroute the railroad so that it didn't get inundated by water. Whenever I read that an old bridge is going to drown, I look downstream for a dam. In this case it is the Wolf Creek Dam. One advantage of this bridge being higher is that it got rid of the need for tunnels in the river bluff.
StoryMaps
[The bridge in the background was Route 27.]

c1950:


Jim Pearson Photography posted
Norfolk Southern 168 crosses over the Cumberland River Bridge at Burnside, Kentucky as it heads north on the NS CNO&TP (Rathole) Second District on April 29th, 2024.
According to American-rails.com, It used to be called the Rathole Division when it was the Southern Railway and is often remembered as a road with relatively flat and tangent main lines due to the region in which it operated. However, the system did feature its share of steep, circuitous main lines such as Saluda Grade in western North Carolina and its famed “Rathole Division” through Kentucky and Tennessee that reached as far north as Cincinnati.
Technically, this stretch of the Southern main line was known as the 2nd District of subsidiary Cincinnati, New Orleans & Texas Pacific (CNO&TP), which was plagued for years by numerous tunnels resulting in its famous nickname by the crews which operated over it.
Over the years the Southern worked to daylight or bypass these obstacles as the route saw significant freight tonnage, a task finally completed during the 1960s. Today, the Rathole remains an important artery in Norfolk Southern’s vast network.
Tech Info: DJI Mavic 3 Classic Drone, RAW, 22mm, f/2.8, 1/160, ISO 120.

Ethan Hubbard posted
174 pulls across the bridge getting ready to shove back and pick up some cars at Burnside, KY. Taken 10-28-24

Bridges & Tunnels by Sherman Cahal posted four photos with the comment:
Still waters surround the US Route 27 bridge and abandoned tunnel over the North Fork Cumberland River in Burnside, Kentucky.
The original crossing of the river was completed in 1931 and was considered the “last link” in the completion of a modern US Route 27, also known as the Cincinnati-Lookout Mountain Airline, as it removed the only ferry remaining on the route between Cincinnati, Ohio and Chattanooga, Tennessee. The tolled span was the highest crossing in the state at 108 feet from the low water mark on the river.
Also completed was an adjoining tunnel 182-feet in length.
As part of the Wolf Creek Dam project that created Lake Cumberland, the circa 1931 bridge and adjoining tunnel were replaced with a 1,130-foot-long deck truss structure in 1951. Construction started in 1999 on a four-lane replacement which was completed in 2002.
JC Tucker: This will be on the New Lake Cumberland Boy Scout Trail
Teri Wenninger: When they dropped the lake 750 ft [229m] to fix the Dam, I hiked the dry Cumberland Lake areas of Burnside , Lees Ford Marina and down the end of Slate Brach Rd for miles. There was the old Burnside Rd, bridges and tunnels and caves under Lake Cumberland. The prettiest orange sand beaches.
Bridges & Tunnels by Sherman Cahal shared with the comment:
Still waters surround the U.S. Route 27 bridge and abandoned tunnel over the North Fork Cumberland River in Burnside, Kentucky.





Matt Murphy posted seven photos with the comment: "Burnside Ky."
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This appears to be Matt's favorite bridge.
Matt Murphy posted
NS 189 heads across the Cumberland in Burnside, Ky

Apr 1988 photo by Geoff Hubbs via BridgeHunter-1950, License: Released into public domain

Curtis Tate posted three photos with the comment: "A southbound and two northbounds crossing the Cumberland River at Burnside, Kentucky. Oct. 11, 1997."
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Robert G Adams: I'd almost think that shot was on a Monday because how short the train is. I've got a picture of 611 going across there too.
Curtis Tate: Robert G Adams You’re seeing a cut of empty flat cars. As I recall, there was more tonnage behind it.

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Alan Ramquist posted
Crossing of the Cumberland River at Burnside, Kentucky 2015
 
BP and Riversong Railway Photography posted
10/1991 - A northbound roadrailer train crosses the Cumberland at Burnside Kentucky.
J.B. Rail Photog shared
John E Bosler Jr.: Ahh the triple crown
 
Ethan Hubbard posted
NS 1067 leads a 279 over the Cumberland River at Burnside, KY. 2-10-2025

Matt Murphy posted two photos with the comment: "179 coming across the Cumberland Lake in Burnside Ky."
Matt Murphy shared
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Bridges & Tunnels with Sherman Cahal posted
Work began in the late 1940s to reroute the Cincinnati, New Orleans, and Texas Pacific Railway (CNO&TP) in the vicinity of Burnside, Kentucky to build a higher-elevation bridge over the North Fork Cumberland River and to eliminate Tunnel Nos. 3 and 4. The railroad through the area had been completed in 1879 and included numerous sharp curves, steep grades, and many, many tunnels. The tortuous route was nicknamed "The Rathole."
The new bridge over Lake Cumberland opened on August 8, 1950. Today, the CNO&TP is one of Norfolk Southern Railway's busiest long-distance freight haul routes and you'll often catch trains passing over the lake.
Eric Hillman: Sherman Cahal these posts are awesome. But there is not a North Fork of the Cumberland river. That location is just the Cumberland River. The part called the "South Fork " is not a Fork of the Cumberland river but in fact its own river that spills into the Cumberland River at burnside. It's true name is the Big Southfork River. Figured I would comment with that as you appear to be someone who likes having their facts in order. Regards. E from Lake Cumberland Boaters.
JC Tucker: This will on the New Lake Cumberland Boy Scout Trail in Burnside Ky

1935 Sumerset and 1932 Burnside Quads @ 1:62,500