Saturday, August 25, 2018

CSX/C&O Great (Big) Bend Tunnel and John Henry near Talcott, WV

Satellite plus Paint
The Great Bend Tunnel was constructed by the C&O in 1870-72, and it was over a mile long. It made the reputation for John Henry as "the steel driving man" because he had a race with a steam-driven drill. [History of West Virginia Railroads, search for John Henry]

Glen Koshiol posted
C&O 4165 leads two GE's eastbound out of Big Bend tunnel at Tolcott W. VA. 4/7/78, my photo
Craig Cloud: What yr did CSX abandon original bore off to right?
J.B. Rail Photog shared

Jackie Fry, cropped

Jesse Smith posted
It’s a smoke shaft to allow steam locomotive smoke to escape the mile-plus long railroad tunnel.  And of course, the shaft wasn’t directly above the track – falling debris would be dangerous.  With the tunnel abandoned in the 1970s, the next 4 decades saw this amount of decaying brick trickle down (plus boulders, and a tree!) from the 150-year-old brick construction.  Today, the parallel Big Bend Tunnel (blt 1932) serves CSX there.  We’re standing mid-way in the 6,500-foot Great Bend Tunnel of the old C&O in West Virginia (the famous ‘John Henry’ Tunnel) as time ticks slowly by.  
(1949 C&O Tack Chart below)
Jason Jordan shared

Jesse Smith commented on his post

I Love Trains posted
photo courtesy of Shane AlexanderI
The Chesapeake & Ohio's Great Bend Tunnel in Talcott, WV, where John Henry challenged the steam drill to a contest and won.
But wait, there is a tunnel that is just south of Leeds Alabama that locals claim that is where John Henry challenged the steam drill.
In case there are any John Henry fans out there, here's a painting I did that today hangs in the Leeds, AL depot. In Leeds there are those who strongly feel his battle took place at the nearby Oak Mountain tunnel. https://fineartamerica.com/.../steel-driving-man-timothy...
John Henry WAS a real person, a convict serving time at the Spring Street prison in Richmond. It was a practice to rent convicts to work for companies. He is buried in an unmarked grave on what was the grounds of the prison.
The effort killed him.

The real Hood in the Woods posted
The Legend of John Henry, Summers county, West Virginia 
Not all American folk lore are tall tales.  John Henry was born in 1840’s as an enslaved person and was liberated after the civil war.  He relocated to Virginia to find work in the reconstruction effort.  In Virginia he was arrested for burglary and sentence to the state penitentiary.  The warden of the penitentiary was a Quaker from Pennsylvania.  He had been appointed to his position as part of the reconstruction effort and he was shocked by the horrible conditions there.    To save the inmates from having to live in the penitentiary he began leasing them as labor to private contractors.  Later he became as opponent of inmate labor.
John Henry was leased to the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad (C and O).  He was a giant of a man, standing over 6 foot and weighing in at over 200 pounds.  His strength was legendary.  The workers would often sing to help keep cadence as they swung their hammers.  They would often make up their own songs about each other and these songs began the legend of John Henry.  The songs spoke of his superhuman strength like how he could swing a 20-pound hammer in each hand.    Other songs described his softer side, like being kindhearted and having good morals.   
By the time the railroad reached the Great Bend Mountain, John Henry was the leader of his work crew.  Leveling grade and laying track turned into driving holes into the rock, which would then be stuffed full of dynamite, and the rocks blown up and hauled away.  The Great Bend tunnel is 6,450 feet long and was completed in 1872.
The famous story about John Henry happened here in 1870.  The C and O railroad had used a steam drill at the nearby Lewis Tunnel.  John Henry was impressed when he saw the machine and challenged it to a race.  When the dust cleared after the hour long contest, the drill had only gone 9 feet while John Henry had gone 14 feet.  It was reported that the steam drill had hit a seam of harder rock which had cost it time.  
In 1929 John Henry researcherGuy B. Johnson interviewed witnesses to the race.  Most of the men agreed that John Henry didn’t die after the race, but later in a rock side or of disease.  The last time that John Henry was noted in documents from the Virginia State Penitentiary was in 1873.  This was before his sentence discharge date and there is no record of a pardon.

Pepperoni Rolls With the Mothman posted
John Henry and Great Bend Tunnel
Charlie Doc Blake Jr.: It’s sad that they had to move it over the hill from off the main rd because people kept shooting at it. Look at the bullet holes and dents.
BD Mitchell: Charlie Doc Blake Jr. We went back to a camping spot this summer that we used to camp at years ago. It was a sandy spot near the river that was surrounded by huge beautiful trees, and is mostly used by locals because it's difficult to access. I couldn't believe the state it was in. People had shot up all of the trees to the point where most of them were either dead or in the process of dying. So many West Virginians have lost all respect for their home. It's disgusting.
Randall Hampton shared

Baltimore & Ohio Ellicott City Station Museum posted
During Black History Month, the B&O Ellicott City Station Museum is celebrating the history and achievements made by African Americans who worked on and for the railroad. One of the most iconic pieces of folklore is the legend of John Henry, the "Steel Drivin' Man." 
The legend goes that John Henry, a Black man who worked for the railroad, was known for his ability to drive steel with his hammer in a single mighty blow. In an effort to speed up work, the railroad company brought in a steam drill that supposedly could work faster than any man. John Henry took on this challenge and went up against the steam drill in a race to prove that man could beat machine. The legend goes that Henry beat the steam drill, but that he died from exhaustion with his "hammer in his hand."
It is widely thought that John Henry is a mythical figure. However, some historians have theorized that John Henry may have been an actual historical figure who worked for the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad. Historian Scott Reynolds Nelson found evidence that the legend of John Henry may have originated with a John William Henry, an African American man from New Jersey, born in 1848. In 1866, he was convicted of theft in a Virginia court and was sentenced to 10 years in the penitentiary and was put to work as a convict laborer in the building of the C&O Railroad. During the construction of the Lewis Tunnel, Henry and other prisoners would have worked alongside steam-powered drills, potentially giving origin to the legend. Whether he was a historical figure or not, John Henry remains an iconic figure of American folklore whose story has been told again and again in story and song.
** Image: John Henry statue at the Great Bend Tunnel, Talcott West. Virginia - National Park Service
Tom Dunn shared
Bill Hildebrand: GBT is closed now. replaced by a parallel tunnel which i have highrailed tru.

Jeff Hawkins commented on Randall's share
October 29, 2005 when it was located alongside Route 12 above the tunnels.
Wes Ball: Jeff Hawkins when I was a kid back in the '80s that's where I remember seeing it I believe there was also a caboose there

Woody Dolin commented on the above post
The park is fixed up nice.


Friday, August 24, 2018

Erie 1848 Viaduct over Starucca Creek in Lanesboro, PA

(Bridge Hunter, Historic Bridges, HAER, Satellite 56+ photos)

Note the date, 1848. This is one of the last stone arch bridges built because the use of wrought iron trestles was developed. The variance in the height of the stones is interesting.

Photo from PA,58-LANBO,1--18 from pa1270
GENERAL VIEW FROM NORTHWEST - Erie Railway, Delaware Division, Bridge 189.46, Spanning Starucca Creek, East of Susquehanna River, Lanesboro, Susquehanna County, PA
Postcard circa 1907 from Bridge Hunter
Alexander T Davidson commented on his posting
Photo By HPhistorysocietylady [Public domain], from Wikimedia Commons
Dale Woodland posted
February 15, 1969 eastbound train pushed by one of two remaining FM Trainmasters over Starucca Viaduct with a D&H train about to come under the bridge.
Gerard Geisler posted
Erie Railroad promotional brochure.

Rainer Rauhut posted
Starucca viaduct, Erie Eisenbahn (Erie Railroad)
im Staate New York
Steel engraving from the Bibliograph. Institut in Hildburghausen ca 1850.
10.5 x 15.5 cm ( 4.1 x 6.1 ")

Rainer Rauhut posted
Starucca viaduct, Erie Eisenbahn (Erie Railroad)
im Staate New York
Steel engraving from the Bibliograph. Institut in Hildburghausen ca 1850.

Jon C. Burdick posted
January 1976,
Bill Neill shared
Walter Wood III Starruca viaduct.

Erie Magazine, p11
Randall Hampton posted five photos with the comment: "Starrucca, just a couple of miles outside the tiny town of Susquehanna PA, completed in 1848."
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Thursday, August 23, 2018

CSX/(C&O+HV) 1917 Bridge over Ohio River at Sciotoville in Portsmouth, OH

(Bridge Hunter, Historic Bridges, B&T; Satellite)

Also known as the Limeville Bridge.

Historic Bridges
 
Aditto Aditto posted
Definitely a railroad landmark in the Portsmouth, Ohio area. Chesapeake & Ohio’s Limeville, Sciotoville, Ohio River Bridge, Bridge #17 or just call it a fascinating, mind numbing railroad structure. Even the builders plate weighs several tons.
Jay Krajcovic shared
Cragnolini M Lines posted with the same comment as Aditto
Andy Ippolito shared
[This photo is definitely making its rounds on Facebook.]
Judith Allen posted with a copy of Aditto's comment
Tim Shanahan shared
Kellynha Adelino posted
Definitely a railroad landmark in the Portsmouth, Ohio area. Chesapeake & Ohio’s Limeville, Sciotoville, Ohio River Bridge, Bridge #17 or just call it a fascinating, mind numbing railroad structure. Even the builders plate  weighs several tons.
 
James Bergman commented on Cragnolini's post
What interesting is that the photo here shows two sets of track and the other one is one.
Johnnie E McCloud Jr.: James Bergman that is actually still one set of tracks. If you look closely there is guardrails on each side of the tracks. With the two center rails been the actual track.
James Bergman commented on Johnnie's comment
Here is a photo of it being double track, I grew up about 1 mile from this bridge and have seen north and southbound at the same time, very rare but it does happen, and now I drive CSX railroad taxi service and we have discussed this bridge with many engineers and conductors, some don't like crossing it and some love it.
 
Whit Wardell posted
GE promo painting on Limeville/Sciotoville bridge crossing the Ohio River on the Russell to Columbus, OH Northern Subdivision.

Dennis Shafer posted the comment: "Former Chesapeake & Ohio Railay bridge across the Ohio River at Sciotoville, Ohio. Bridge is currently used by CSX Transportation as part of their "Northern Subdivision" between Russell, Kentucky and Columbus, Ohio."
Jesse Smith commented on Dennis' post
That bridge has the highest "live load" rating of any bridge ever built in the world! Here's a northbound crossing it back in 2016.
Dennis Shafer What is the live load rating for it?
Jesse Smith Dennis Shafer The weight of the bridge itself (dead load), plus the weight of what rolls over it (the live load). And because it was build in 1917 (the age of heavy steam power), they built "for the future" as engines were just going to get heavier.
Doug Bess Bridges in that era were designed for steam impact, that is the force of the drivers pounding on the bridge. Also the Limeville bridge is double track so the design of the bridge takes into account of both tracks being loaded at the same time.
 
Andy Chabot posted
Limeville Bridge - CSX Northern Subdivision
Eastbound empty hopper train is crossing the Ohio River traveling from Ohio toward Russell, Kentucky.
09/30/2007

Matt Bruks posted two photos with the comment: "Former C&O Limeville/Sciotoville bridge spanning the Ohio River. Built in 1916, 1550ft in length with the longest span of 775ft. It also carried the record for the longest truss span until 1945. Another neat fact most don’t know, during the WWII time era there was intelligence gathered that it was slated to be bombed by enemies to cripple the infrastructure of the rail line for its huge role in transporting of troop and munition trains. But it was never carried out."
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Cragnolini M Lines posted
Definitely a railroad landmark in the Portsmouth, Ohio area. Chesapeake & Ohio’s Limeville, Sciotoville, Ohio River Bridge, Bridge #17 or just call it a fascinating, mind numbing railroad structure. Even the builders plate weighs several tons.
Josiah Whitley: My great grandfather was helping build this and somehow lost his footing on the structure and fell off of it into the river. Surprisingly he never got hurt. He just swam to shore and went back to work lol Hubert Carver was his name.
Roger Wayne Cooper: My grandpa told me a story about going out on that bridge in the 27 flood I believe he said there was a cow standing on something (I believe it was a cow may have been a hog!!!) in the river and that men from Sciotoville went and rescued it!! That bridge was about the only thing sticking out of the water!!
Dan Callendar shared
 
Mtnclimberjoe Rail Photography posted
On an overcast afternoon, a GE ES40DC and C40-8W lead CSX manifest freight M311 as it heads north towards Columbus on the CSX Northern Subdivision. The train is coming into Sciotoville, Ohio on the 1916 built continuous truss bridge that features two 775 foot long spans over the Ohio River.
====Info====
10/27/2023
CSX Northern Subdivision
Sciotoville, OH
CSX M311-27 (Manifest; Russell, KY to Columbus, OH)
CSX 5331 ES40DC Ex. CSX 5331 ES44DC Blt. 2006
CSX 7780 C40-8W Blt. 1992

Three photos by Dave Honan with the comment:
A couple miles east of Portsmouth, OH, is CSX's massive Sciotoville Bridge, a two-span, 1,550-foot continuous truss bridge over the Ohio River. The structure, the heaviest continuous truss bridge on the continent, was designed by David Steinman and built by Gustav Lindenthal between 1914-17 for the Chesapeake & Ohio Railway. (April 05, 2004)
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Street View
 
Steven J. Brown posted
Family Lines SD40-2 SBD 8079 (built 1979 as L&N 8079, became CSX SD40-3 4044) crossing the Ohio River near Portsmouth, Ohio - July 3, 1987.
Mike Lusher: I've read that it's the strongest bridge ever built in the entire world. It was built to handle the weight of two H-7 locomotives with loaded trains passing each other at track speed.
Steven J. Brown shared

Stu Levene photo:
The seldom-photographed Sciotoville (Limeville) Bridge towers above a CSX train of 129 empty coal hoppers. The shot was taken from on top of the parapet at the south side of the bridge.
Appalachian Railfan photo:
A coal train makes it way westbound (TT Direction) with coal destined for points north as the final light of day is setting over the Ohio River. A scene like this only makes me reflect on a time when it was possible to see C&O Superpower haul miles of black diamonds along this route. What a sight that would have been to see.
"This bridge held the record for longest continuous truss span [775'] in the world from its opening until 1945. See April 2000 Trains Magazine for an article on this bridge." [Bridge Hunter] It was also the heaviest. [Historic Bridges] "It remains today the mightiest bridge ever built from the point of view of its load capacity." [cohs]

McClintic-Marshall Company booklet from Historic Bridges

Gary Bellamy commented on a posting
Ken L. Chamblin commented on a posting
Here is a view from the Ky side taken by me from my train 

Ken L. Chamblin commented on a posting
Got Tunnel Vision?

Engineering News-Record Vol. 80, No. 2, p62 from Historic Bridges
One side was built on falsework. Then the cantilever design allowed the other side to be built with minimal falsework because the first side was available to balance it. But the forces on the joints changed between the initial truss structure on the first side and the final cantilevered truss so hydraulic jacks were needed to join some of the members for riveting. The following catches the center pier completed, wooden piers used as falsework, a travelling gantry on the false work to build the supported span, and a creeper hoist on the other side of the center pier to build the suspended span.

Engineering News-Record, Jan 31, 1918, p221 from Historic Bridges
"It contains some of the most massive members and chords ever seen in a truss bridge." [Historic Bridges] The following shows a member that requires both booms of the hoisting tower to lift it.

Engineering News-Record Vol. 80, No. 2, p66 from Historic Bridges
A pictorial summary of the construction stages. As the suspended span grew, they could remove some of the false work under the supported span because it was being held up by the weight of the suspended span. Reducing the number of falsework piers in the river was important in the Winter to reduce the impact of ice flows on the falsework.

Engineering News-Record, Jan 31, 1918, p235 from Historic Bridges
One of three photos posted by Charles E. Whisnant


The massive size of the members is caught by this photo. I had to look a while before I did find some men in the photo.

Transactions of the American Society of Civil Engineers, Vol. LXXXV, 1922, p931 from Historic Bridges

Is Anand shared a Marco Delgado posted photo
Scott Burrell For many years it carried the highest live/dead weight rating of any bridge in existence.
Donald Montgomery Wow, bet it takes 3 months or longer to inspect...

The sound of Train posted
Raymond Adomonis shared
Dennis DeBruler Aaron J. Border has this commentary on his photo:
"The massive spans of the Gustav Lindenthal-designed Sciotoville bridge tower above an eastbound grain train as it crosses the Ohio River into Kentucky. Towering 236 feet above the river at its highest point, the twin 775-foot long spans of this bridge were the longest in the world from its completion in 1917 until 1945."
https://railpictures.net/photo/342144/
Dennis DeBruler Aaron J. Border: "Westbound grain empties cross the Ohio River on the massive Limeville-Sciotoville Bridge. Completed in 1917, the bridge was designed by famed architect Gustav Lindenthal, and remains today the largest continuous truss railroad bridge in the world."
https://railpictures.net/photo/361116/

Debbie Newson Hampton posted
I'm fascinated by the Sciotoville Bridge featured in this pic of an eastbound crossing the Ohio River in Siloam, KY. Towering 236 feet above the river at its highest point, the twin 775-foot long spans of this bridge were the longest in the world from its completion in 1917 until 1945. Photo by Aaron J. Border.
Randall Hapton shared
Bruce B. Reynolds: Designed by Gustav Lindenthal, who also designed the Queensboro Bridge (59th Street Bridge) and the New York Connecting Railroad (a/k/a Hell's Gate Bridge).
Jeff Miller: I think its the heaviest (Most steel) in the world.
Tim Shanahan shared

Jason Widdig posted, cropped
Queen of the Mississippi. 10-11-2021 Sciotoville Ohio.

Kenneth James White posted
My favorite railroad bridge: The Sciotoville Bridge spanning the Ohio River at Sciotoville Oh. Opened in 1917.
Bruce B. Reynolds: Designed by Gustav Lindenthal, most noted for the Hell Gate bridge of the New York Connecting Railroad.
 
safe_image for 2012 Wang Halen Flickr
CSX T361 - Sciotoville, OH
Coal loads ease across the massive Limeville-Sciotoville bridge, built in the 1916 to carry the C&O mainline across the Ohio River. At the time of it's completion, it was the largest through truss bridge in the world.

Leon L Lancaster commented on a post
C&O texas class 2-10-4 coming off the limeville bridge from ohio into kentucky. photo by gene huddleston. taken from the book C&O POWER by al staufer.

Ken L. Chamblin posted five photos with the comment:
Here are a few pics from my trips on the Great Northern Subdivision. This bridge shown when I was traveling south and north was made in Germany and floated up the Ohio River many years before my time. It spans the Ohio River between NJ Cabin on the Ky. side and Sciotoville on the Ohio side. It's located at MP CJ 1.5 and is of serious interest to railfans.
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Ken commented on his post
 Here is a picture that was given to me. I received it as is with the side text cut off. It was a local resident to the area photo.
GScaler posted
In 1994 I caught Milwaukee Road 261 crossing the Ohio River on the CSX (former C&O) Sciotoville bridge returning from pulling the New River train. This was the last year these trains were pulled by steam and 261 was used as NKP 765 was in for a major overhaul.

safe_image for 1981 Flickr

 Richard Allison posted two images with the comment:
This is the C&O Sciotoville/Limeville continuous truss bridge spanning 1770 ft across the Ohio River at Portsmouth, Ohio.  I believe this bridge is the largest of it's kind in the US and 20th in the world.  This bridge connects the West Virginia coal fields with the coal docks on Lake Erie for further shipping to steel mills.
This bridge has two sets of tracks and was built in 1917 and 13,000 tons of steel.  That is a lot of steel but then not so much.  Cliffs Indiana Harbor No. 7 Blast furnace makes over 11,000 tons of iron in one day.  
I drove to work for a couple of years everyday along US 52 but never got a good photo of it.  I am submitting photos of this bridge but they are not from my collection and from others.
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(new window)  He gets to the bridge at 2:00. After he does his turn over the bridge, skip to 4:27. He launched from the Kentucky side.

Screenshot
[The river is high on the piers and shoreline.]

1 of 7 drone photos posted by Bridges & Tunnelszzz
This mammoth railroad bridge carries CSX over the Ohio River between Sciotoville, Ohio, and Limeville, Kentucky. Built by the McClintick-Marshall Construction Company between 1914-17, it was the longest continuous truss bridge in the world until 1935. Its erection marked a major advancement in the art of bridge engineering and was a major achievement in continuous truss analysis.
➤ Check out more photos of the Sciotoville Railroad Bridge at http://bridgestunnels.com/location/sciotoville-railroad-bridge/
From the link: "The crossing was planned to be a two-span continuous truss, an unusual design of the time. Each span was planned to be 775-feet in length as the War Department required a minimum of 750-feet to accommodate the largest of river vessels. Additionally, the bridge was situated along a bend along a shallow and rocky portion of the Ohio River. Although the low water channel was situated beneath the Kentucky span, the principal current would switch to the Ohio side during high water."
[There is a lot of construction information in that article. Continuous trusses are rare until after compters were invented because the stress computations are much more complicated than for a series of simple trusses.]