Thursday, May 10, 2018

Chicago & Eastern Illinois (C&EI) Freight Houses


Bernard Wybrecht posted
ATSF U28CG 356 with train -16, The Texas Chief pulling into Dearborn Station, Chicago, Illinois. Hote 3 Hi Level Chair cars on Februry 2, 1968😉😍 Winter snowy day . 
 A Roger Puta Photography ..
Dennis DeBruler shared
Snow has to make walking on the running boards even more "exciting."
Edward Kwiatkowski shared

Dennis DeBruler commented on Edward's share
Roger was standing on Roosevelt Road and facing a little west of South. The two story building attached to a one story building is the classic design of a freight house. The freight was sorted in the one-story part while the waybills were sorted in the two-story office part. In this case, it was the C&EI freight house. Peaking over the top of the end of the C&EI freight house is the Erie freight house. The brick office building part was four stories.
The attached image would be Roger's view today. The train is on the land of today's Federal Street. (In the 1960s, Federal Street did not exist south of Roosevelt.) The residential units are on the land used by the freight houses. The C&EI was between Roosevelt & 14th Street and the Erie was between 14th & 15th Streets.
 https://www.google.com/.../data=!3m6!1e1!3m4...

Marke Llanuza posted
Its 1975 the Orland Park commuter train coming into Dearborn Polk station.
[CE&I Inbound Freight House on the right with the Erie freight house peaking out behind it.]

1964 Dearborn

Bill Molony posted
Grand Trunk Western class U-3-c 4-8-4 Northern-type #6332 getting ready to depart from Dearborn Station in Chicago on a sunny morning in the 1950's with train #20, The Maple Leaf, bound for Port Huron, Michigan and Toronto, Canada.
[This correction comes from a share: Curt Danielewicz Group Admin U3b. GTW 4-8-4’s were U3a (sent packing to CN when the U3b were delivered), U3b and the streamlined U4b classes.
My interest in this photo is that beyond the tracks it provides a nice overview of the C&EI Outbound Freight House.]

A closer look at he C&EI freight house in the background of the above photo.
Bill Kalkman posted
Rodney Peterson photo. Santa Fe Fairbanks-Morse H12-44TS-541 is switching in Chicago, IL on 6-22-57. Who can name the year and model of the cars on the right?
Bob Lalich: The switcher is on the lead to a mail platform on Federal St at Dearborn Station. This is an angle that is rarely seen. Thanks for sharing Bill Kalkman!
Richard Fiedler shared

Another view of the trucks docked at the freight house in the above photos. Note that the trucks and trailers had just one main axle back then. In other words, the were 10-wheelers instead of 18-wheelers.
Michael Staney posted
Freight cars from the likes of RI, UP and others at a freight transfer house, Chicago most likely. Ca. 1950's
Greg Burnet shared
[The Board of Trade is too far east in this photo. I'm confused.]

The freight house in the above photos is in the background of this photo.
Tom Bedwell posted
Everyone seems to like this switcher.  I still remember it was all over the place the day I was there.  I thought to myself how much fun it would have been to ride on the front like this guy!
Kevin Covey: All those wood roofwalks on the boxcars…nice!
Joseph Tuch Santucci: By the end of the C&WI, long after Dearborn was closed, they had one single job switching a small handful of industries. They leased a Geep from the BRC to handle the chores. The job worked two or three days a week. When that last remaining engineer retired they abolished the job. MoPac took over switching the last remaining customer, Active Wrecking. Pullman Jct’s switchtender job was abolished in 83 or early 84 and trains working through the plant lined their own switches under the instructions of the C&WI dispatcher. NS took over the main line from Calumet Yard to 81st Street and removed one of the mains. 80th Street was mechanized with switchtender jobs abolished and control given to the BRC dispatcher. Metra took control of the main lines between 74th at 21st. MoPac took control of the Dolton Branch between Dolton and 80th St. That portion between Oakdale and 81st Street was heavily damaged after a derailment and never rebuilt. The Yard Center operator took control of the Oakdale interlocking from 81st Street tower. The corner L&N, now Seaboard System, pulled out of 37th/Canal St opting for a new facility of their own at Bedford Park in 1983. MoPac would pull out in 1985. NS ceased interchanging auto parts at the old Wabash 40th Street Yard (what was left of it at that point) and the GTW also ceased interchanging there so there was no reason left for NS to operate around there. Eventually IHB took over operations of State Line tower. They also told over control of the high bridge in Hegewisch for the IHB and occasional Conrail grain train that needed to cross it to reach Irondale. The BRC had long since ceased delivering coal trains to the South Shore via the C&WI. The IHB and Conrail moves all ended and now the bridge remains locked in the raised position. The EL tracks leading to State Line were removed. The L&N track was eventually removed as well. The rails south of the high bridge were removed. NS eventually built the Ford Chicago mixing center on the former right of way east of Torrence Ave. There are other moves I know I’m forgetting that also vanished. We watched the C&WI die a slow and unmerciful death. What remains is still busy but C&WI itself has faded into history. And this all occurred in my railroad career. Most of today’s railroaders operating around Chicago probably only know of C&WI from the oldest of old heads.
Richard Oppenheim: At the time that Metra assumed control between 21st St and 74th St (plus the connection track between 74th and 81st) the CWI dispatchers were working out of their “office” which was actually a trailer in the yard at 47th St. At that time, all 4 CWI dispatchers agreed to come to work for Metra at the new CCF facility just being built, and since Metra did not yet have any dispatchers of their own for any of their lines, these 4 became the 4 senior men on the Metra Dispatcher’s roster, and remained so until their retirements
William Poole: Worked at the same location ,but several years later 1967.
No Sears Tower , Erie Lackawanna serviced the coach yard at Dearborn & Pulled the CB&Q , & RI
Ed Henry was the Supt of Rules on C& WI then.
He examined me and others pertaining to Dearborn Sta And Alton Jct and Liftshults deliveries.
EL had a job that reported to Dearborn asa the passenger train arrived with the mail. The per diem was like 6:00 p.m. delivery time.
In the late 60's or early 70 's or both, we would sit eating our lunch, some had Pepsi or whatever they had watching the Sears Tower go higher and higher..
Quite a site for a young man fresh outta the hills of Eastern Kentucky
Richard Fiedler shared
C&WI switcher at Dearborn Station Chicago.
Tom Bedwell posted
Box cars - Chicago Dearborn Station. From a 35mm slide I took in the 1950s from Roosevelt Road.
Richard Fiedler shared
Dennis DeBruler: Because of the two-story building in the background with the "Erie Railroad" sign, I know that we are looking South from Roosevelt Road. So that would be the Wabash Outbound Freight House on the left and the C&EI Inbound Freight House on the right.

Mike Breski posted

CHICAGO & EASTERN ILLINOIS FREIGHT HOUSE

The Chicago & Eastern Illinois operated this freight house in Chicago near Dearborn Station. Four tracks paralleled the long, low structure. Note the sign painted on the building advertising C&EI’s air-conditioned passenger trains.
Chicago & Eastern Illinois photo
******DESCRIPTION AS IS FROM PHOTO SOURCE******
David Daruszka They would line up the box car doors so they could be bridged and loaded or unloaded.
John Mann Worked really well with 40 foot cars!
Bob Lalich That is the outbound house north of Roosevelt Road. The C&EI inbound house was south of Roosevelt Road.
John Kenney Note the tell tales in the foreground.

Jim Mercer I railroaded for 39 yrs. but don't know what tell tales are.
Dewey Cheatem Andhowe Jim Mercer When I ran Amtrak trains on the Metro-North Hudson Line in the mid-90's, they had "tell tales" a few miles north of Croton-Harmon. These tell tales detected whether there was anything sticking out from the train at third-rail level (third-rail electric began at Croton). If any part of your train hit the tell tale, it would send a signal to the Dispatcher who would contact you to stop and inspect your train.
Thanks for bringing back memories
Jim Mercer Kind of like the high and wide detector we had and still have approaching the Thebes bridge into Mo. to Illmo- Scott City. Union Pacific Been retired since 2012.
Larry Grzywinski Tell tales were strung over the tracks to warn a crew member riding on top of a box car that there was close overhead clearance. In the good old days ladders allowed one to climb up to the roof so that in close clearance like in the photo the engineer could see the swithman giving him hand signals.

Mike Breski shared
Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Historical Society If you would like to learn more about the history of the freight houses of the C&EI Railroad at Dearborn Station our Fall 2018 issue has an outstanding article by Rich Jurgovan complete with numerous photos. The issue is available via our web site www.ceihs.org.

Bill Molony posted
Chicago & Eastern Illinois EMD FP7 #1607, assisted by an EMD E7A, easing out of Dearborn Station with a southbound train on a bright sunny morning.
[ Note the "RAILROAD FOR GOOD SERVICE C&EI" sign on the left side of the photo. That is the C&EI Outbound Freight House.]
Randy James Notice the nc&stl baggage car, I believe this is the Dixie flyer, that was jointly operated by c&ei, l&n, nc&stl , from Chicago to Atlanta Georgia.
Robert Gibson Jr. The Dixie Flyer left at 10:30PM. The Dixieland left at 9:10AM.
Bob Lalich I can give a range on the date of the photo. The switchtender job and manual switches in the throat were eliminated in 1964. The mail/express platform behind the Erie boxcars was built around 1950.
Robert Gibson Jr. By 1958 all of the C&EI southbound trains left at night.
Tom Skowronski Probably very early '50's. The (I think) beautiful orange/blue scheme disappeared quickly. Great photo, Bill. LOVE your C&WI book!
Robert Gibson Jr. This is probably train No. 1 a local that left Chicago at 9:00 AM terminating in Evansville, Indiana at 2:35 PM. The photo shows an Railway Post Office car behind the baggage car.

Mid-Century Decatur posted
The southbound N&W "Banner Blue" accelerates out of Chicago's Dearborn Station, past the boxcars lined up at the Chicago & Eastern Illinois freight station, at 11:00 AM on March 13, 1966, exactly 58 years ago today.
The train will arrive in Decatur by 2 pm and St. Louis Union Station by 4:35.
Photo: Tom Golden, Collection of Sam Bec
Richard Fiedler shared
Ron Hull: I watched that freight shed burn back in the ‘50’s.
Bob Lalich: This train is inbound about to pass under Roosevelt Road.

David Daruszka shared
Classic Streamliners posted
Ray Weart The renumbering of the ATSF FP45's had nothing to do with Amtrak. They had a big system renumbering of most of their motive power at that time. In the 1990's they got renumbered again.
[Note the C&EI Outbound Freight House on the left. The Railway Express building and the mail platform is in the middle.]

The Blackhawk Railway Historical Society posted
Chicago & Western Indiana Railroad Alco RS-1 #258.
Bob Lalich Shorts???
David Daruszka I guess things ran a little looser back then, or he's the guy they wrote the rule for. Someone once told me that every rule in the rule book had some idiot behind it doing something stupid.

Raymond Barr What intrigues me is the brick building that seems to go on forever with dock doors and the green grass area in front of it. The grass area is wide enough to have held at least two tracks. Can you imagine back in the forty foot boxcar days what a scene this would have been with the cars parked door to door and the crowd of workers rushing about to unload or load freight?
Sam Bergus ...and the piles of standard sized pallets adjacent to that showing why that method of loading/unloading isn't being used anymore at the time of this photo.
Alfred Fickensher Can we imagine any guesses about the arch-top loading(?) doorways alternating pattern?
Raymond Barr My guess would be that in pre-fork lift days the arch-top doors were used by two & four wheel hand carts. When fork lifts came along, the large doors were installed. You can see some disturbed brickwork above some of them.

Craig Sanders That looks like the lead into La Salle Street station based on my feeble memory. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Dennis DeBruler Since it is a C&WI switcher, it should be on the lead to Dearborn Station. I've determined the freight house is C&EI Inbound. That confirms the Dearborn Station lead.

Dennis DeBruler commented on the BRHS post
To identify the freight house, I noticed that the design is unusual in that it has the office part above the freight handling part. Normally, the office part is a two story building at one end of the freight handling part. This design made the two story part of the freight house unusually long. In this overview of the South Side, it was easy to identify two candidates south of Roosevelt. I doubled the size of the image and cropped the area of interest.
https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/.../aerial-view-of...

Dennis DeBruler commented on the BRHS post
This map reminds me that the freight house on the east side of the leads burned by the time of this photo. So that makes it C&EI Inbound.
Dennis DeBruler Mark's photo confirms the building because of the Erie freight house to the south.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/708146809323725/permalink/1087639478041121/
Dennis DeBruler A photo by Mark a year later, 1976, shows the freight house has been torn down.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/708146809323725/permalink/1087365418068527/

Mike Breski posted

STREAMLINED 4-8-4 WITH GTW’S MAPLE LEAF

At 9:52 on the morning of June 2, 1953, Grand Trunk Western U-4 No. 6410 accelerates the Toronto-bound Maple Leaf away from Dearborn Station, Chicago.
R. R. Malinoski photo
PLEASE NOTE DESCRIPTION'S ARE AS IS FROM PHOTOGRAPHER OR THE ARCHIVE IT IS FROM AND MAY HAVE INACCURACIES.

Dennis DeBruler We recently saw the northeast part of the C&EI Inbound Freight House in the background of a photo taken from Roosevelt Road.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1270038776414622/permalink/2534147443337076/
This photo gives us a view of the southeast part of the freight house.
Lance Erickson This train connected with the Lehigh Valley Maple Leaf And had direct service to NY with through cars at one time. It became hopeless after Mail was put on trucks.

Mark Llanuza posted
Orland Park commuter train coming into Dearborn station 1976.
[But a year later the C&EI freight house was gone, and we can now see all of the Erie freight house.]

David Daruszka adjusted the exposure of a Bill Molony post
Santa Fe 4-6-2 Pacific-type #3419, drifting towards the 12th Street Tower and Dearborn Station with 17 cars of train #6, The Ranger.
May 30th, 1934 (Memorial Day).
Photographer unknown.
From the Blackhawk collection.
Dennis DeBruler: I still have to look it up in my notes. That is the C&EI inbound freight house on the right. And the Erie freight house is in the background.

Arturo Gross posted a 1970 Flickr photo
Guess what's coming soon! Snow in Chicago and U28CGs in HO from Atlas! Capturing both themes, we have Santa Fe U28CG 354 leading a train (probably the Texas Chief?) into Dearborn Station in Chicago, Feb 1970. Original Kodachrome photographer unknown, Art Gross Collection.
Dennis DeBruler commented on Arturo's post
Assuming this was taken from the Roosevelt Road Viaduct, the right side of the photo is the end of the C&EI inbound freight house and the freight houses in the background belonged to Erie.

Wednesday, May 9, 2018

MoW: Car Jack Platforms

(Satellite)
JC Walker posted
What do three long ties on a siding for? Not a switch stand, and they stick out on each side the same! Photo taken a Laguna New Mexico last week.
JC Walker The answer is: Car Department Jack Location. There are two about 50’ apart at this location. Track centers are a little close but told they still use them. I’ll try to post a couple more questions like this. Thanks for the response everyone, thought it would be a good post!
The car department was away from the engine servicing area because this looks like the southern arc of a roundhouse.

I know one end of a freight car would be jacked up to roll out an old truck and roll in a new (or rebuilt) truck to repair truck or wheel set problems. I wonder what types of repairs needed both ends of the car jacked up at the same time.

Tuesday, May 8, 2018

Horse Sense vs.Railroad Crossings

Osseo, MI, was on the old (original) road of the NYC/LS&MS. This photo made me wonder if markings for railroad crossings back in the horse & buggy days didn't need bells, flashing lights and gates because a horse had enough sense to not go in front of a train. I read an article about "horse sense" that talked about a horse refusing to cross a bridge soon before it collapsed because the river was running high and fast. One theory was that, since they effectively walk on just one toe, they have evolved to sense the firmness of what they were walking on; and the horse sensed unusual vibrations. If so, I'll bet they can detect the ground vibrations of an oncoming steam locomotive. Because of the moving linkages and pulsating pistons, a steam locomotive "pounded" the rail. That is the excuse given today by some railroad executives to not allow steam excursions on their tracks.

Albert Spencer posted
LS&MS Railroad crossing in Osseo, Mich about 1904
Albert Spencer Osseo was on the Old Road. Toledo to Elkhart. NYC/LS&MSRR
Harold Fannin That crossing has a bell on it,are you sure of the date of the photo?
Albert Spencer About 1904. could be a little before or after.
Harold Fannin I didn't know that crossing bells went back that far.
Of course, a horse & buggy went a lot slower than today's cars and trucks giving people more time to look for trains and react in time as they approached the tracks.

I'll bet horse sense was smarter than some people's "common sense." I just read that railroads have reduced fatalities due to derailments, crew mistakes, wheelset failure, etc. so that now the largest category of fatalities is people trespassing on the tracks: in vehicles, deliberate suicide, taking engagement or modelling photos, using a shortcut, etc.

Monday, May 7, 2018

EVWR/L&N 1926 Maunie Bridge over Wabash River southeast of Maunie, IL

(Bridge Hunter, no Historic Bridges; satellite is below)    EVWR = Evansville & Western Railway

The original bridge for this route was the St. Louis & Southwestern Railroad bridge that was completed on Nov 22, 1871. [SouthernIllinoisRailroads, this has several photos of the pre-1926 bridge]

Satellite
Satellite, Swing Span

Maunie Railroad Bridge
Posted March 8, 2018, by Malcolm Dymott (mpd109uk [at] yahoo [dot] co [dot] uk)

From the Progressive Railrioading website 8 March 2018 (and local news websites on previous two days);

". . . .U.S. Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) has announced a $10 million TIGER grant to rebuild approaches to the Maunie Railroad Bridge in Posey County, Indiana. Built in 1926, the bridge's timber approaches on both the Indiana and Illinois sides are in "dire need of replacement," according to a press release issued by Donnelly's office. "

Link to fuller descrption:

https://www.young.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/usdot-a...

[Bridge Hunter]


Bill Molony includes a nice summary of the EVWR in the Man/June 2018 Blackhawk Railway Historical Society newsletter, Spike and Tie:
This railroad commenced its first operations on January 1, 2006. The line was once part of the Louisville & Nashville's former Saint Louis Subdivision route that previously terminated in the metro-area of East St. Louis, Illinois before being embargoed and slightly shortened under CSX ownership during the fall of 1993.
Satellite, Illinois Approach
Satellite, Indiana Approach

Bridge Hunter includes photos of a train on the timber trestle.

Brendan J Dock shared

5 photos  Manual operation of the swing span was possible until the 1970s.



Friday, May 4, 2018

Iroquois Lock and Dam on the St. Lawrence Seaway

Current: (Satellite) Note that there are two sets of lock gates at each end. I have not found an explanation as to why this is the case.
Pre-Seaway: (Satellite)

Postcard, SHIL028

Pat English posted
The pre-seaway Iroquois Lock. [Galop Canal Lock #25.]
It’s still there without the lock gates and is now used as a marina. 
The picture was taken from the upstream end and you can see there was a bigger level drop than there is in the new lock. 
Before the creation of the Seaway the St Lawrence River dropped 80 Ft from Iroquois to Cornwall/Massena. 
The picture was published in the March 17, 1976, Iroquois Post Newspaper
Craig Stevenson: This is the "new old" lock, built in the late 1890s with a 14' [4.3m] depth and a length that allowed it to be used as a "fleet lock" to accommodate three upbound canallers at a time.
The photo was taken from the perspective of the swing bridge that crossed the canal. The concrete base of the bridge is still in place.

The depth of the old lock is greater than today's guard lock and dam because it was at the end of the Galop Canal that begin at Lock 27/28. I could not find Lock #26. I'm surprised that the canal is clear of algae since it has been filled in at several places.
Street View, May 2023

I became aware of the Seaway dam and lock from this photo:
Carl Burkett from Self Unloader ALGOSTEEL - Her Last Transit (source)
With Iroquois Lock behind her, ALGOSTEEL quickly picks up speed and motors by the lower approach wall and the control dam in the background.
(new window) Note the prop wash when he guns the engine after he clears the lock. And you think a hot-rod car has a lot of horsepower.


In Winter 2025, they added vacuum mooring facilities to the lock.
4:07 video @ 1:05

Pat English posted three photos with the comment:
The Vacuum Pads at Iroquois Lock are in various states of construction. 
The East one has the reinforcing steel in place. 
The middle one has the cement forms in place in over the rebar.
The West one is covered in tarps so they can blow in hot air but I couldn't tell if the concrete has been poured yet
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Not only did they build a river control dam and lock, they moved the entire town of Iroquois, ON, away from the river so that it would no longer be in a flood plain. They built a "house mover" and a road up a hill for it to use. [StLawrencePiks, search for "SHIL001:".] Then search for "SHIL045:" to see what the area looked like after the town, railroad, and highway had been moved uphill but before the old shore was flooded.

CarlzBoats caught a ship entering the lock, a saltie-laker entering the lock

3:06 video
"Sucking up to Sailors - Installing Vacuum Mooring at Iroquois Lock 4K"

Pat English posted four photos with the comment:
The installation of Cavotec Hands Free Mooring unit 3 appears to be complete. Units 1 & 2 won't be far behind. 
Iroquois Lock was the only lock in The St. Lawrence Seaway that didn't have these.
I am told by people at the Locks that no one lost their job and in fact maintaining these units has created jobs.
March 19, 2025
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Mar 19, 2025:
Paul M. Kozmin posted
All pads installed.

Janey Anderson posted five photos with the comment:
ARRESTOR ARM CHANGED IN IROQUOIS LOCK AND TRAFFIC RESUMED
As posted yesterday, VERILA hit the arrestor gate in Iroquois Lock early morning travelling downbound. Traffic in both directions was stopped for the day as they worked to replace it and get ships moving again.
By early evening, navigation had resumed.
Here are some shots from the location showing the broken arm and replacement in the lock, and the first upbound ship - EK STREAM on the move.
Thanks so much for these shots Kristina McLean !
July 28, 2026
Dave Hindle: Isn't the arresting arm only down to drop the arresting cable? Then it goes back up so it doesn't get hit but the cable which is easier to replace remains to arrest the ship. Or is that only like that on the welland canal?
Philip Hanbidge: The metal arm is merely the vehicle for raising and lowering the steel cable that is the actual ship-arrester device.
It is designed to stop the movement of a vessel towards the lock doors.
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