Saturday, May 30, 2015

CSX/Rock Island Bridge (#407) over Des Plaines River

20150418 298c, looking upstream
(Bridge Hunter, Historic Bridges) Update: The Illinois Flickr Album contains some more pictures of this bridge.

This is Bridge 407. But I don't know if that is Rock Island's or CSX's number.

As a satellite image illustrates, the former Rock Island crossed the Des Plaines River at about a 45-degree angle. Note the above photo frames the next upstream bridge --- Jefferson Street Bridge.

When the Rock Island went bankrupt, the Chicago-area commuter service, Metra, operates the route from Joliet to Chicago. CSX operates the main route from Joliet to Utica. Iowa Interstate (IAIS) operates the remaining route in Illinois plus all of the route in Iowa. The IAIS and CSX have trackage rights over the Metra part to get to their freight yards.

Note that this RR bridge, like the one CSX operates in Seneca over the Illinois River, is normally in the raised position.

Southeast Elevation
20150523 1708c, Northwest Elevation
[I think he took this photo before the above photo, but with a wider angle lens. Did they have zoom lenses back in his day? This photo follows the above photo in the collection, but they are obviously not in sequence.]


The span being kept in the raised position is nice because otherwise it would be totally blocked by the trees.

I experimented with "artsy" photos using truss members of the McDonough Street Bridge to frame this bridge.

Stuart Pearson posted
Late 1970s
[back when it was still the Rock Island]

safe_image for DNE 31 Flickr
On the longest day of the year I sat in that park for hours during the evening trying to get a train on that bridge during daylight. No luck.

Steven J. Brown posted 7 pictures with the general comment:
Warning - post not suitable for more sensitive viewers, especially U-boat fans!
The screams of dying Chessie U-boats can be heard as the Iowa Interstate freight approached the Des Plaines River bridge in Joliet - March 1986.
Iowa Interstate GP8 7979 approaching the Des Plaines River in Joliet.

Iowa Interstate GP8 7979 crossing the Des Plaines River in Joliet.

Iowa Interstate GP8 7979 crossing the Des Plaines River in Joliet.
Iowa Interstate GP8 7979 passing a scrap yard along the banks of the Des Plaines River in Joliet.
Iowa Interstate GP8 7979 passing Seaboard 1311 in a scrap yard along the banks of the Des Plaines River in Joliet.
Iowa Interstate GP8 7979 passing a line of Chessie U-boats waiting their turn in a scrap yard along the banks of the Des Plaines River in Joliet.
Iowa Interstate GP8 7979 passing a line of Chessie U-boats waiting their turn in a scrap yard along the banks of the Des Plaines River in Joliet.
Mark Llanuza posted
Its 1979 at Joliet IL
Mark Llanuza posted
Rock Island at Joliet IL1975

I went from 4:30 to 8:00 on the longest day of the year to try to catch a train during daylight. I didn't get a train, but I did get some river action. Also the sun was in the north part of the sky so that when it peaked out, this side of the bridge was lit up.

20170621 9420
Note the McDonough Street Bridge is going up for this downbound towboat.


The sun finally came out really bright. And I was trying for a different angle so that the front trusses did not align with the rear trusses.

Robby Gragg Flickr photo taken 2014 Sep 29

Jumping the bridge

CSX SD50 8624 leadss 557 west over bridge 407 in Joliet, IL.

Halsted Pazdzior posted
A view through bridge 407.
Built 1932 by the American Bridge Company and Ketler-Elliot Erection Co.
Length of largest span: 302.0 ft.
Total length: 552.0 ft.
Deck width: 32.0 ft.
Dennis DeBruler I envy you guys that manage to catch a train on this bridge in the daylight. I one time spent an entire evening on the longest day of the year waiting for a train. I never saw a train. But I did catch some tows.,-88.../data=!3m1!1e3

Bill Molony posted
In this photograph; and eastbound Rock Island six-car intercity passenger train can be seen approaching the bridge over the Des Plaines River bridge in Joliet. Undated, but circa 1946.
William Brown shared
J Pete Hedgpeth That's Bridge 407...that entire area west of the bridge is completely industrialised now..I drive over the I 80 bridge about twice each year in the summer..It gets more unfamiliar to me every year. My perspective is 1961...
Dillon Harrison posted two photos with the comment: "After blocking a couple of grade crossings on the West side for about a half hour, The 153 was given its block to the EJ&E crossing from Bridge 407."



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Tony Raia posted
Today’s Iowa Interstate. January 28, [2019] Joliet.
Steven Kakoczki Amazing shot.......
Court house building??
Tony Raia Steven Kakoczki yes, 10th floor.
Michael Riha Temperature?Tony Raia Michael Riha mid 20s, but the wind is ridiculous on the upper floors. Couldn’t work today.
I knew they were building a new building west of the courthouse. I didn't know it was a new courthouse until I read Steven's comment.
20180917 5824
The new courthouse is opening up some new views.
Tony Raia posted
Iowa Interstate eastbound at Joliet. 3-14-19.

Nick Hart posted
The Rock Island heritage unit is in charge of the morning Iowa Interstate eastbound as it crosses Bridge 407 in Joliet. The Silvis-Blue Island train (Z026-06 on CSX) is exiting CSX New Rock Sub trackage and entering Metra Rock Island District trackage on this sunny and warm morning. 07-06-2021
Juan Antonio Troncoso-Muñoz: Might sound like a dumb question but how much trackage belongs to Metra,then CSX until it turns into IAIS territory?
HalstEd Pazdzior: Juan Antonio Troncoso-Muñoz west of Utica is Iowa. Utica to bridge 407 is CSX. The rest of the way east is metra.

Halsted Pazdzior posted
J946 heads west over bridge 407.
James L. Ludwig Halsted Pazdzior - I don't recall anyone taking photos from the west approach- GREAT CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Jeff Lewis How did CSX come to own that portion of the former Rock Island? And since it's isolated from the rest of the system, by what route does CSX use to access it?
Dennis DeBruler I'm surprised that you got a photo during the daylight, especially considering how short the days are in January. I heard that Metra allowed CSX and IAIS to run only at night. And for the amount of time I have been at UD and taking photos of that bridge, I was convinced they ran only at night. On the longest day of the year, I set by the river upstream of the bridge all evening to try to get video of the bridge going down and up. But still no trains. Was this daylight train a fluke?
Halsted Pazdzior Dennis DeBruler they've been rather late lately and usually come through during the middle of the night. But this past few weeks they've been coming mid day. You're best daylight train would be IAIS SIBI which usually goes over there bridge around 8:30am right after the inbound metra rush.
Dennis DeBruler commented on Jeff's comment on Halsted's post
I presume they offered the RI bankruptcy judge more money than EJ&E was willing to offer. EJ&E took over operations when the RI shutdown, and they were surprised that they did not get it.

I confirmed with a former RI employee that CSX does a shoving maneuver between north of Blue Island Junction and Barr Yard so that they can use the connector on the west side of Blue Island Junction.

This sign in Seneca, IL, is how I learned that CSX went west of Chicago. Jun 27, 2014
Jeff Lewis Thanks Dennis.
And a view of the east portal. I didn't realize that a former industrial spur ramp made this side accessible.
Halsted Pazdzior posted
Bridge 407 looms in the background as a rail train led by CSX 8842 (SD40-2) heads east.

HalstEd Pazdzior posted
A rare daylight CSX Barr Yard to Ottawa train heads west through Joliet. Some recent demolitions opened up a lot of space. In the background you can see the new Will County Courthouse, which recently opened, and bridge 407.

Comments on a HalstEd's post

Dennis DeBruler commented on Halsted's post
I just had Facebook refuse my comments because they were a violation of Community Standards. It called them Spam. My links were to Google Maps and the historic Illinois aerials. That is not self-promoting. This is the second time now that Facebook has trashed my work.
I'm not going to try to replicate what I said about the industrial spur ramps on the north and side south sides of the mainline at the Des Plaines Street overpass, but I will include the 1939 photo extract that shows the spurs.
Halsted Pazdzior Dennis DeBruler interesting stuff. I know the north ramp was to the coach yard.

Stuart Pearson posted a very closeup view.

Dan Marinellie posted a geometry train coming off the bridge.  Posted again

1997 Art Gross Flickr

Jeremy Hylka caught a picture of the bridge as the sun rose beneath it.

A video using a drone to get overview and side views of the bridge.

A video of a Rock Island freight coming over the bridge.

IAIS train operations

Peter Zimmermann also provided more information on how to catch the IAIS train. But that post got removed?! Fortunately, I still have some info in my email:
Peter Zimmermann: The train used to leave around 6:45 pm or so on the weekdays, but then they switched it to not before 7:30 pm for departure out of Blue Island.
Someone else commented that it would not get to Joliet before 9:00 pm.

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