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| safe_image for Freight train derails in Elgin, Metra trains delayed [It happened at 1:30 Sunday, Mar 22, 2020. Customers of Elgin and National Street will have to use the Bartlett Station.] |
Mike Rizzuto posted five photos with the comment:
Train derailment at National Street in Elgin 03/22/20Douglas Drexel Mitchell Bensenville probably having TM's doing the rollbyes out the yard. [Trainmasters are management.]
*update * apparently the train was dragging something from Schaumburg west. Damage to Hanover Park and Bartlett stations
Michael Musgrave Signals still lit so maybe no underground cables damaged.
Elliot Courtney That doesn’t mean anything, just because they are lit doesnt mean the in track wiring isnt damaged.Michael Musgrave yes track wiring and cables are kind of regarded as separate issues when repairing. bootlegs and bonding wires are way easier do fix than digging up your daxing and power cables.
Matt McClure I just did a drive by from the US 20 bridge. Only 3 cars left. A huge CP presence. And Metra and CP police guarding the entrances to the National Street station so either walk by or look from a distance.
Juan Antonio Troncoso-Muñoz So,thats why metra workers were out earlier near just after B35 then?
Krystian Zyszczynski I saw a Metra PD car flying down Grand ave.
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Mark Llanuza posted five photos with the comment: "A derailment on the former Milwaukee Rd D&I Elgin line early this morning at the new Fox River bridge." (source)
[The Milwaukee Group is a knowledgeable group. Because there were so many informative comments, I included them below the photos.]
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| 1 David Romaniszak It looks like it derailed on the crossover at west side of river. [Some comments discuss the steel girders setting on the right side of this photo. A new bridge across the Fox has been built. Now the old bridge is to be removed and another new bridge will be built in its place. That will provide a double track across the river without disrupting rail traffic.] |
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| 2 Steve Fiege Yeah...Can tell it's CP with all the white hats that just stand and look |
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| 3 Richard Scott Marsh Burned one off I see. [The axle for the wheel to the right of the worker is not sticking out far enough. Unfortunately, his head is blocking the view of what the end of a axle normally looks like.] Terry Peterson Can they tell normally which car it came from, for tracking purposes ???!!!??? Victor Zurcher Looks like a hotbox, axle appears to be burned off. [I thought hotbox detectors were developed a long time ago.] |
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Brad Kayganich Broken axle?
Tim Smith Brad, looks like a burned off axle. That usually happens when a roller bearing seizes.
Jack Buckley Burnt off journal. Makes you wonder about inspections, detection equipment, and the safe movement of equipment without a rearend crew.
Tim Smith Jack, we burned one off once. There really isn’t much way to tell other than heat. I was told from the time a bearing begins to fail, it can get hot enough and burn off within two minutes.
Jack Buckley I’ve found defective roller bearings many times (plain bearings) in the yards many times. I feel that the quality and frequency of inspections and the knowledge of inspectors today are severely lacking. Knowing what to look for with human eyes would make a difference. There seems to be a dire need for capable and vigilant people in the industry as well as an over dependence on technology meant to replace the wisdom of human observation, experience, and logic.
Jack Buckley Besides, if a journal can burn off, in say, two minutes, then the RB was incorrectly greased or the seal(s) we’re compromised much earlier thereby were more than likely observable much earlier.
There are other factors, also, such as incorrectly application to the axle, damage during reassembly of trucks but there are inspection protocols regarding such events.
In your defense, there is a possibility that it could have been a catastrophic failure of an internal roller or broken cage.
Brad Taylor Jack Buckley I spent most of my RR career around W.A.B.L. issues and wheelsets and you are spot on. So many variables can come into play but when a RB goes into self destruction mode it goes FAST.
Besides the burn off set I also wonder about that other wheelset ahead of the tank with all the flange damage and obvious indicated tread sliding. That had to be on the ground for awhile too.
Be interesting to see the FRA report findings.
Jay Reitsma Well at least it happened on a sunday with the lockdown. Any other day and it would be a mess.
Todd Jones Interesting that they don't use Hulcher anymore. Actually recall seeing a Cranemasters calendar in the Dubuque yard office back 2012 or so.
Jared Huber Todd Jones, the reason to not call Hulcher is?? Is that a corporate decision. Or just that this equipment was readily available??
I am a delivery driver throughout the Midwest and have seen Hulcher trucks & equipment out and about.
Brian Rose interesting, should be all new track.
Daniel Flaten I had to protect a derailment site for the same reason in between Pewaukee and Ixonia. I got there around 40 min after it occurred and what was left of the axle was still glowing red hot. It also set a lot of fires along the row.
Harold J. Krewer Word I hear is the suspect car went sour east of Roselle and was drug roughly 11 miles before everything went to hell. All manner of track damage on Main 1 between Roselle and B-35. This is going to take more than a few hours to fix. Good thing almost no one is riding the scoots.
Brad Taylor Harold J. Krewer I was involved in a somewhat similar wreck incident back in 89 with CR at Russia, Pa. Somebody’s inevitably gonna catch hell for something but it’s certainly not the first time it’s played out that way.
The replies to comments on this post have a lot of information about detectors and (mis)handling of detected defects. I extracted just the comments about the device itself.
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| Ralph Chavex posted Matt Mitchell Its a bearing tempature monitor and also a real time gps monitor that car owner and some leasees use to track the car and also upcoming maintenance. Its part of amstead digital solutions and they use them for all kinds of applications on railcars. Not just the wheelsets. Bill Pietrasz Matt Mitchell first time I've seen one. Matt Mitchell I'm still fairly new to them as well. They even have them for tank car lids that will show they are open and not secure. They also have them for engines, intermodal and ships so they can track everything. Eddy Worsham Do the owners of the private owned rail car think that the rail road would charge the owners of these privately owned car for repair work that was not done ,.? Matt Mitchell Eddy Worsham Yepp happens all the time, or wheels that still met the condemning limits. John Houghton Acoustic bearing sensor private owners not trusting Railroad TSA Trackside, designed to make their own noise to set off TSA. Jim JP Pallow How do they relay information? John Houghton Jim JP Pallow cellular. |
This is a different derailment, but it is close enough to me that I'm surprised that I was unaware of it. I add it to this one because it is the same railroad and another example of Cranemasters in action. Some of these photos provide views of how an axle is supposed to fit in a bearing that, in turn, fits into the truck frame.
Alex Zaborowski posted nine photos with the comment: "Workers and a concrete mixer during the construction of the Cal-Sag Channel on September 8, 1915, viewed to the southwest in an area between La Grange Road and Route 83."
Darrell Schroeppel Never seen the rigging that white crawler crane is using before.
What do they call it?
Lorenzo Chavez Darrell Schroeppel tank car pickers.
Alex Zaborowski
It's a tank car cradle. Saves the shell from getting smashed up if you were to use chains or cables.Chris Valentine “Tank Car Saver” http://www.cranemasters.com/innovations/tank-car-saver/
Victor S Reyes Banana pickers ,tank car savers ,the name that it was given one thing for sure make the job easier and safer.
Juan Luis Tenorio Side booms are faster.
Another good view of an axle! It looks like one of the wheelsets that fell out of the truck rolled away since there should be two of them. Further in the background, the truck fell off the car rather than the wheelsets falling off the truck. This was because of a tornado near Jonesboro, AR. I saw six posting of this photo. I choose one that provided some information. I assume UP is like BNSF and "Z train" means it was a high priority intermodal train. An intermodal train means it had a high center of gravity, had relatively light freight cars and they were articulated. Articulated means that if one starts leaning, it twists its neighbors over. High priority means that a lot of expensive contents is going to be trashed because I assume this is like autotrain wrecks --- the contents gets destroyed to avoid liability suits later. It was UP.
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| Ramiro Jimenez commented on Byron's update We still at it Byron Willcutt Is it cleared wouldn't think so been busy with 1000 other problems today damn kids were playing on it right after it happened. Ramiro Jimenez Byron Willcutt yes sir they been running trains all evening. [I saw a comment about 5:30. I presume that was 5:30am.] Byron Willcutt Ramiro Jimenez damn what yall do scoot them back further from the track and dealing with them as they are running. Ramiro Jimenez Byron Willcutt yes sir just cleared them off the tracks. Ramiro Jimenez Working another job in Lil Rock |
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Another good view of an axle! It looks like one of the wheelsets that fell out of the truck rolled away since there should be two of them. Further in the background, the truck fell off the car rather than the wheelsets falling off the truck. This was because of a tornado near Jonesboro, AR. I saw six posting of this photo. I choose one that provided some information. I assume UP is like BNSF and "Z train" means it was a high priority intermodal train. An intermodal train means it had a high center of gravity, had relatively light freight cars and they were articulated. Articulated means that if one starts leaning, it twists its neighbors over. High priority means that a lot of expensive contents is going to be trashed because I assume this is like autotrain wrecks --- the contents gets destroyed to avoid liability suits later. It was UP.
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| Greg Dortch posted Z train hit by tornado at Jonesboro Ar. Crew is ok just a little shook up. Jarvis Byest shared Sergio Brito They don't have binders like locomotives and passenger cars?Willie Steamtrain Sergio Brito, no, because changing the wheels would be more difficult then today. Now they are disconnecting the T piece and just lift the car a few inches and roll the old wheels from under the car and then roll the new once under it. I'll take a picture of that T piece tomorrow when I go to work. Normally the weight [It seems that "frame key" is another term for "T-piece."]Phil Ehrlich I was a Carman, and this is common ....hardly any truck ever had the frame keepers bolted on to hold the wheel in the frame sides unless we were lifting the whole thing up with a crane and didn't want the axle to fall out.Jeffery Ballard Domino effect, Saw it a few times in my younger day's, High wind and suspected tornadoes & derailments spaghetti in the center and like this on each end, Worst derailment I ever saw was in Midland Louisiana around 1980 or 81 S.P. railroad searched for 3 cars out of 48 derailed never could identify. Lumber and clay car's and 3 car's of scrap copper mixed with clay 4 side booms couldn't pick them up without ripping them apart.Ed Brinkmeyer Empty bulkhead flats dont do well in high winds either. Experience on that one.Dave Reineke Lisa Catera autoracks Will tip over very easy, especially empty. 45 mph winds and many railroads won’t let them run on the main. Jason Eilers posted [The platform base is just a truss. The ribs we see are the bottom of a container. This taught me that I've never seen the bottom of a platform, just its sides.]Joel Lawrence Heard the train was carrying hazmat material.Kim M. Hornbaker Joel Lawrence one box of Bic lighters classified as hazmat.Joel Lawrence It was UP ZG4MQ Byron Willcutt updatedRandy Pennington That has to be the "neatest" derailment I've ever seen.Grant Trotter Probably stopped due to high wind alert.Tyler Popp Grant Trotter judging by the size of the trees down on the track further down in the picture I'd say you're correct.Phil Green looks like no real track damage yet.. but there will be when the come to re-rail them.. seen it many times.. |
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| Catherine N Joe Bartrug commented on Byron's update Looks like they could have used a few of these. Vince Davis Car Department never put those back on, AAR billing is too cheap Vince Davis They're useless anyway |
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| Catherine N Joe Bartrug commented on Byron's update |
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