|Bradd McClelland post|
Helping our MOW brothers out.
[An example of the gap they have to fill by using heat to expand the rails back to the "normal" temperature. (Rails contract and pull in the Winter and expand and kink in the Summer.)]
David Tetris Looks like it's under 3 1/2 inches so slap some elephant bars on there and run protect againsts with a 10mph special instruction. Hop back on and check the break again after each movement (unless you can watch the train over the break.) -CN
Kenneth F. Jones CSX sent their maintainers to broke rail school. I've walked trains over breaks many a night. No big deal, but having 14 years in Roadway helped.
David Tetris CN is the same. MORB training, elephant bars, bolts, a spike puller, track wrench and a broken rail sign all winter.
Stephanie Tom White KCS has guidelines on whether it’s on the high or low rail in a curve and height and alignment mismatch.———-Tom
[There are more photos of rail breaks in the comments including the one below.]
Daniel C Carrol Jr. shared
Frank Cross Well in 40 years on the railroad. The only ones that I ever saw that were straight were bad welds either plant or field. The vast majority of those were due to flat wheels beating the hell out of the rail a lot were extremely cold weather and flat wheels. Most of these other breaks had an irregular edge to the rail even though it may have been small.
Patrick Strawbridge Frank Cross this was broke by a tr-10 tie inserter. It had a small black spot in the head of the rail where a defect was starting.
Frank Cross Patrick Strawbridge wow that's different for sure.
Bill Youngbauer There’s a factory weld 4 ft away... put temp bars with a bolt holding it in the break ... walk train over and change it out after..Rick Counts Found hundreds of them.
William Lambert Done that many of times. I was always called out for a track light out, usually what I found in the cold.
Bill Youngbauer Not a weld with a factory weld that close.
Fred Gepford Bill Youngbauer here you can if it's three feet from plant weld fifteen from field weld.
Fred Gepford But on wood they don't care if it ever gets welded.
|Mario Mendoza commented on Bradd's post|
Brock Byers Mario Mendoza damn right off the points!
Ray Hammond Right beside the weld!
Bad pre heat.
|Sean Angelo video|
Yours truly putting out a pull apart fire with a back pack blower. The fireballs were pretty fun to make.
That was a super easy pull apart to fix too. Little 105lb rail, only pulled like 2 inches. It's our main line, on a hill going into a curve, we couldn't let it pass. It does help though if you have dry saw dust. Did another one earlier that day that was pulled almost 4 inches, but we had water logged and frozen saw dust. That gap just DID NOT want to close easily.CWR (Continuous Welded Rail) has the advantage of removing the maintenance headache of a rail joint every 39 feet. But it does have the problem of no expansion and contraction gaps. The rail wants to contract when it gets colder and to expand when it gets warmer. It is supposed to be laid at the nominal temperature for the area and you hope it doesn't break during cold weather or kink during the hot weather.
When it does break, it is free to contract and opens up a gap. The workers lay fuel along the rail for many feet on both sides of the gap and light a fire to heat the rail to expand it and remove the gap. Then they weld the rails back together. This video teaches us how they then put out the fires.
The phrase "couldn't let it pass" is interesting. I've seen videos of the army experimenting with what it takes to derail a train. A train can ride over a pretty impressive gap when the track is straight. Even so, I wounder how long they would "let it pass" on straight, level track.
|Jason Jordan shared|
Gotta love cold weather
|Mason Carlson posted|
Good old railsnake to fix a pull apart.
Chuck Kulesa kerosene asbestos rope worked better but it was a logistical nightmare carrying 55gal drums around full of kero soaked rope ... some idiots drove like MORONS either didn't realize or care that the kero was sloshing around right out of the drum into the bed of the p/u and onto the street ... of course who wants to put the lids on the drums ... they're only gonna come off at the job site ... miles away ... yeah man those were the good ole days ..
Dale Frye We used to mix kerosene and sawdust. What a stinkin awful mess.[Some comments talk about the smoke being toxic.]
|Jason Brown commented on Mason's post|
|Reginald Fitzpatrick posted|
..Railway Rope "Fire" Snake Season fast approaching...
During periods of extreme cold, rail ends in a joint may separate resulting in a pull-apart. Rails must be heated by igniting kerosene-soaked rope along the rail in order to expand the metal and allow crews to repair the pull-apart.
|"Screenshot: AMC & Chicago" from jalopnik posted by Kyle Burk|
Jeffrey Cwan looks like Mayfair
Bryan Howell The photo above is from a few years ago and the track crew seen in the upper left quadrant were heating the rail to fix a pull apart.
Steven Nilsen Hydraulic rail puller is easier
Mark Saunders and cleaner...
Fernando Pereira Used rail puller on cold weather just to bust other joints heat is the most efficient way.
Fernando Pereira on the olden days used Dutchmen on the winter they not legal anymore. [They would have been fixing sheared bolts at a rail joint rather than a break in Continuous Welded Rail. So I wonder if a Dutchmen is a short piece of rail welded to a joint bar to fill the gap of the break. I also wonder how uniform the gap is when the bolts break.]
Michael J Klapperich Before our joint elimination program, we used to burn ropes basically all day and night sometimes during cold snaps. Used to break out in rashes all over our bodies from the constant diesel exposure. Going thru several of those 35 gal barrels a day was normal. I don't miss it one bit.
|Screenshot @ -8:27|
Later they will replace the rail-bar joint with a welded joint.
Bob Campbell Definitely old school! Diesel and rope
Elrod Rosser That's pretty much still the way it's done in the South....
Ian Dalcourt Striking cold rapidly increasing heated rail with a steel spike maul... mmmm.
Craig Shaw Should be using soft steel maul not a spike maul also dangerous for drift pins of metal chipping
Ian Dalcourt Brass hammers is our go too when trying to slither rail
William Riley Not allowed to use diesel any longer 10000$ fine
Chad DeBoard Bullshit use it everyday on Csx
Christopher Overbeck William Riley you think a 10k fine means anything to a railroad
Rodger Phelps Christopher Overbeck personal fine of 10k plus company gets fine. I was hit with 25k a day by EPA, they dont screw around
Elrod Rosser Damn locomotive sitting there 20 mins. would leak more diesel than the snake, besides, you are burnin' up all the evidence
Craig Shaw When first started on MoPac in St Louis, the section would get used locomotive oil filter and diesel. Then in SW Missouri they’d use rubber shavings and diesel. Then we used blow in cellulose insulation and diesel until someone higher up on UPRR thought about flame retardants could make you sick. Then when I left for train service fiberglass rope and diesel worked well. Now I see they use a non reusable jellified gas rope of some sort
David Stewart Suppose to use a slege hammar for the bull prick not a spikin maul.oh well not one pf us.
Craig Shaw They got a second eye for spare
Chris Castle Wally Hartnell, at CSX we used to use cellulose/insulation and diesel fuel but a year or so ago they found out it is illegal in certain states! So now we have to use fire snake, you are right diesel fuel and whatever else you use to mix with works a lot better and gets the rail a lot hotter than fire snake
Bob Campbell They outlawed it in North Dakota. Catching wheat fields on fire
Allen Bashutski Fire should be on other side of rail so wind blows heat to rail not away
Clifford Titus I was told they don't do that any more. They use a hydraulic pinch clamp. It was second hand information. I am retired.
It looks like they still had a gap of over an inch when they put the bolts in. That has to be a slow-order temporary repair.
|Joe Aguirre commented on John's posting|
[I assume these are hydraulic grippers that can be used to close the break in the rail. I'm confused as to how they would be used.]
|This one makes more sense to me|
With its capacity of 120 tons of pulling force available, the Hydraulic Rail Puller can operate on 115“ 141 lb rail on any 10 GPM @ 2000 PSI power unit. Hold valve to maintain rail position.
|Bobby Seaton posted|
Old school repairing a pull apart friend of mine posted I am retired but brings back memories many days I fixed pullaparts!
Bruce Moen http://fire-snake.com/
|Gavin Laderoute commented on Bobby's post|
[I looks like something pulled apart near the frog of a turnout.]
|Screenshot @ -:06, cropped, from a Bobby Craven post|
Jason Roper If the pullapart was that bad u needed that much snake shoulda just put in longer rail lolGraham Church Jason Roper not allowed too.Buckle Territory in Summer.
[Some comments point out that the rope is on the wrong side because the wind is pushing the fire away from the head instead of towards it. Note the big wrench by the rail in the foreground. They must not have a HyRail with hydraulic hoses to power a wrench.]
Here is the truck supporting the work on the other end of the track panel. The power wrench attachment is so small we can't even see it. The attachment that drills the holes is in front of the standing worker. The sprayer next to it is used to squirt oil on the bit as it drills. To the right of the pitchfork, laying on its side, is an attachment that cuts rail. A welding crew will work some night to replace the joint bars with welds. These tracks are normally CWR and support around 100 passenger trains a day (commuters + Amtrak) with a track speed of 70 mph and about 50 freights.
(new window) My camera work looks pretty steady compared to this video.